General Motors Product Wins 2009 European Car Of The Year! - Page 3

rsbaker · 11-17-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FierySolstice

I agree, I really am coming to the conclusion that the Insignia should go to Buick, but with more Buick-like sheetmetal and Saturn be absorbed into Pontiac and Buick. When you ask the common person about Saturn, they still think of the plastic cars that don't dent when a shopping cart hit them. When they "redid" Saturn, they should of renamed them Opel or something different, hmm I dunno, maybe Oldsmobile since they are going right where Olds left off.

I agree! Not with the Oldsmobile part but with the Opel part. It is hind sight but GM should have dumped Oldsmobile and brought over everything Opel to the US, lock stock and and barrel instead of creating Saturn.

O_Z · 11-17-2008, 01:23 PM

[quote=andretti2008;1566472]OK...you win dude! you won! I wont argue with you! you won! great point! great! and you tried so hard to prove me the fool that you missed your S in compete. Your a stand up guy!

Yes, that S is really makes the difference!

And I hope that your Russian is better than my English?

Beau · 11-17-2008, 01:44 PM

^ Touche'

andretti2008 · 11-17-2008, 01:49 PM

omg!!! I give up!!!!

^@ O_Z

TAMark · 11-17-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rsbaker

I agree! Not with the Oldsmobile part but with the Opel part. It is hind sight but GM should have dumped Oldsmobile and brought over everything Opel to the US, lock stock and and barrel instead of creating Saturn.

Like the Astra? Boy that has worked well.

2b2 · 11-17-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FierySolstice

I agree, I really am coming to the conclusion that the Insignia should go to Buick, but with more Buick-like sheetmetal and Saturn be absorbed into Pontiac and Buick. When you ask the common person about Saturn, they still think of the plastic cars that don't dent when a shopping cart hit them. When they "redid" Saturn, they should of renamed them Opel or something different, hmm I dunno, maybe Oldsmobile since they are going right where Olds left off.

hey FierySolstice, other than the idea of changing Any of the Insignia's beautiful sheetmetal,
think we're sorta on the same page

Bravada · 11-17-2008, 03:07 PM

What's wrong with calling it by its name, Opel Insignia? Everybody and their grandma know it's a GM product.

And why isn't it FRONT PAGE NEWS for God's sake????

Not only is it Opel's first COTY since 1987 and only third ever, but also the Insignia has beaten two iconic and very important models from chief competitors Ford and VW.

JiveMonkey · 11-17-2008, 03:37 PM

Excellent work over there. A well deserved reward.

steve333 · 11-17-2008, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FierySolstice

I agree, I really am coming to the conclusion that the Insignia should go to Buick, but with more Buick-like sheetmetal and Saturn be absorbed into Pontiac and Buick. When you ask the common person about Saturn, they still think of the plastic cars that don't dent when a shopping cart hit them. When they "redid" Saturn, they should of renamed them Opel or something different, hmm I dunno, maybe Oldsmobile since they are going right where Olds left off.

Saturn just needs to be killed off. There is no reason for the brand to exist.

The Insignia should be the Buick Regal (get rid of the LaCrosse name)
The Astra should be either the Buick Skylark or the Pontiac Sunfire (axe the 'G' names).
The Corsa should be a Pontiac, not the Aveo clone.

blank disk · 11-17-2008, 06:07 PM

I really can't get past that dumpy looking side detail.
The front end is just OK too.

johnstarnes · 11-17-2008, 06:10 PM

A shame we can't have it here.

**mikmak** · 11-17-2008, 06:30 PM

Well done Opel. A great job on a fine looking vehicle. This is obviously a very important segment, especially for the future, where conquest sales are going to become more prevalent. The success of the Insignia is definitely one worth celebrating. Anyone know how sales are going?

GMusa · 11-17-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TriShield

You mean Opel wins European car of the year.

Opel is GM

GMusa · 11-17-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mrgto

But Lutz doesn't want to bring it here as it is for the new Aura......Sorry Bob, you're wrong on this one. Bring it over as it is and with a manual tranny.

I thought this car is being brought over but will have different sheetmetal.

In any situation I hope GM puts that AWD (XWD) system on more vehicles and not just the Saab 9-3 and this.

lio45 · 11-17-2008, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by O_Z

Yes, that S is really makes the difference!

And I hope that your Russian is better than my English?

That, plus right after pointing out your mistake he adds: "Your a stand up guy!"

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