Only@GMI: Cadillac Zeta Car Rumored Dead

[sigma]

Originally Posted by EldoFan

Lincoln MKS FTW!



*(I know it's far from being a threat to the S-Class/7-Series....but it thrashes the DTS!)

The MKS spanks the DTS in just about every conceivable metric. The only problem is that GM considers the Town Car to be DTS's competition, not the MKS... and the Town Car hasn't seen any real updates in about 20 years.

[EldoFan]

Originally Posted by sigma

The MKS spanks the DTS in just about every conceivable metric. The only problem is that GM considers the Town Car to be DTS's competition, not the MKS... and the Town Car hasn't seen any real updates in about 20 years.

Just wait till it gets the Twin Turbo V6 (with AWD std.).....then it'll be flogging the STS and giving the CTS a real headache.....

[jcurry05]

I wish that most of you'll would understand that completing with toyota and honda is MUCH more important than competing the BMW or Mercedes. If Chevys aren't selling the Caddy wont exist.

[04bonnie]

Originally Posted by Rick_VT

Sounds like a bad move by GM large luxury cars need to RWD and its just plain sensible to use Zeta as the basis for this, its why this platform was designed in the 1st place, they are making all there other cars to go on platforms for specific sized cars this one needs to be on a upcale version of Zeta, GM spent a Billion designing this platform then need to utilize it to its maximum to recoup investment and to make every vehicle that uses it more profitable, maybe they will just delay it a 12-18 months till there in better position to spend money needed on such a car.

If large luxury cars NEED to be RWD, then why did Ford cancel the Crown Vic to the general public? Must not be selling that well???

[Hoosier Red]

I don't think I'm adding anything new here, but I can't believe Cadillac isn't going balls to the wall to build the CTS equivalent flagship. The CTS is great and certainly moves the brand forward, but it can't carry the entire freakin' boat. GM just can't afford to compromise on Cadillac and Chevy right now. The three biggest priorities have to be the Volt (best opportunity to turn the public opinion of GM), a small car competitive with Civic/Corolla, and fixing the top end of Cadillac. I have no problem if they slot this between the 5 and 7 series like the CTS slots between the 3 and 5, but they have got to do something in that range - now.

[Hunid Racks]

Posting a "rumor" on GMI is like yelling "fire" in a theater.

This thread is proof.

[big swede]

mgescuro must be lost at sea.

[wcbrown]

A word to all GM management: We have owned (2) Cateras; (1) STS-V, we still have it; (2) XLRs; (1) SRX-V8; (1) DTS; and I just bought an '08 Escalade. All this has taken place since 1998. Now, as LOYAL Cadillac buyers, who disregard all the import brands to support Cadillac and GM, in my opinion, there's no option to not have a rear-drive Cadillac flagship sedan. We understand the nature of the current automotive landscape, however, we have been waiting patiently for this vehicle. Our STS-V will be replaced by this vehicle. If this flagship does not materialize, we will be forced to switch brands and go to the Germans. Please, do not relinquish this segment to the German and Asian brands. We NEED this car; America NEEDS this car. I truly hope that this is only a rumor, GM. In order for Cadillac to re-establish itself as an international force, it MUST have this car. Without it, Cadillac's long term success on the world stage is questionable if not doomed.

[LucheySchoe]

[quote=Sal Collaziano;1475495]I like the idea of a CTS looking DTS. A full-size CTS would be very nice. In fact, I would own it right now if one existed.. It doesn't have to Mimic the CTS - but use the same design strategy...


They have one right now. The STS.

Its a larger, more luxury CTS. It handles well in the twisty’s, rides like a luxury car down the highway and still returns a combined fuel economy of 24 mpg on regular gas (observed on a daily 45 mile long commute of city/highway/stop-n-go traffic). Plus it will comfortably accommodate my family of 4 for long hauls.

My 05 STS is hands down my favorite car that I’ve owned to date!

[mcmlxv]

If one wants to buy a domestically manufactured "large" sedan, the time to buy that DTS or Lucerne is NOW:

The G platform is moribund and it appears that Global Motors is, at worst, about to abandon the segment in North America, and at best, uncommitted to its future. And once the current products expire, Detroit/Hamtramck will likely be converted to produce the Volt, or some such car that GM thinks it needs.

Global might after all decide to approve a large car for their North American market, but it doesn't matter: does anyone believe it will be manufactured in the U.S., much less Michigan? No, it will certainly be a global product, designed by comittee with a heavy Chinese bias, stuffed with parts made offshore, probably fairly ugly like the new Invicta.

The G body class of automobile could have been a bright light for GM. Imagine a proper G-sized Impala, sedan, coupe and convertible instead of the disjointed '00 W body with its 1 body style and 2 color choice Tupperware interior. And what about that mysterious G replacement that was aborted at the 11 th hour in '99? Instead, stunning Riv evaporated, the Park went moldy five years later, and the Antares, er, Aurora was 6/8 of what it should have been and sputtered along until GM lost its nerve. No wonder my neighborhood is full of Infinitis.

No, it appears that Roger Smith's new wave factory of the 80's, first home to Global's most radical products, the weird and wonderful E coupes, and now the last domestically manufactured big cars, is building history. Within 18 months, your opportunity to own a new Michigan made full sized GM car will have vanished. Forever.

Make mine a black Buick Lucerne CXL Special Edition, Northstar, ebony leather bench.

And yours?

[Hitman1970]

Originally Posted by mcmlxv

If one wants to buy a domestically manufactured "large" sedan, the time to buy that DTS or Lucerne is NOW:

The G platform is moribund and it appears that Global Motors is, at worst, about to abandon the segment in North America, and at best, uncommitted to its future. And once the current products expire, Detroit/Hamtramck will likely be converted to produce the Volt, or some such car that GM thinks it needs.

Global might after all decide to approve a large car for their North American market, but it doesn't matter: does anyone believe it will be manufactured in the U.S., much less Michigan? No, it will certainly be a global product, designed by comittee with a heavy Chinese bias, stuffed with parts made offshore, probably fairly ugly like the new Invicta.

The G body class of automobile could have been a bright light for GM. Imagine a proper G-sized Impala, sedan, coupe and convertible instead of the disjointed '00 W body with its 1 body style and 2 color choice Tupperware interior. And what about that mysterious G replacement that was aborted at the 11 th hour in '99? Instead, stunning Riv evaporated, the Park went moldy five years later, and the Antares, er, Aurora was 6/8 of what it should have been and sputtered along until GM lost its nerve. No wonder my neighborhood is full of Infinitis.

No, it appears that Roger Smith's new wave factory of the 80's, first home to Global's most radical products, the weird and wonderful E coupes, and now the last domestically manufactured big cars, is building history. Within 18 months, your opportunity to own a new Michigan made full sized GM car will have vanished. Forever.

Make mine a black Buick Lucerne CXL Special Edition, Northstar, ebony leather bench.

And yours?

Sad but true.

[Astra RL]

I hope there will be a flagship someday when it can be done right not halfway.
Oh and no replacing it with an Aveo clone as the ATS.

[zete]

The only way I see this making sense is if they've decided to make the STS into the STS-L we see in China, with the Chinese interior. That butts up against the DTS in size, allowing GM some breathing room -- it would look new here, especially with the CTS's front fascia. Then, the DTS can linger for a bit longer while they create the ULS (Sixteen) for the top end while bringing in an Alpha-based sedan for the bottom end. Other than that, I can't see any logic in it.

[1G6]

Originally Posted by mcmlxv

If one wants to buy a domestically manufactured "large" sedan, the time to buy that DTS or Lucerne is NOW:

The G platform is moribund and it appears that Global Motors is, at worst, about to abandon the segment in North America, and at best, uncommitted to its future. And once the current products expire, Detroit/Hamtramck will likely be converted to produce the Volt, or some such car that GM thinks it needs.

Global might after all decide to approve a large car for their North American market, but it doesn't matter: does anyone believe it will be manufactured in the U.S., much less Michigan? No, it will certainly be a global product, designed by comittee with a heavy Chinese bias, stuffed with parts made offshore, probably fairly ugly like the new Invicta.

The G body class of automobile could have been a bright light for GM. Imagine a proper G-sized Impala, sedan, coupe and convertible instead of the disjointed '00 W body with its 1 body style and 2 color choice Tupperware interior. And what about that mysterious G replacement that was aborted at the 11 th hour in '99? Instead, stunning Riv evaporated, the Park went moldy five years later, and the Antares, er, Aurora was 6/8 of what it should have been and sputtered along until GM lost its nerve. No wonder my neighborhood is full of Infinitis.

No, it appears that Roger Smith's new wave factory of the 80's, first home to Global's most radical products, the weird and wonderful E coupes, and now the last domestically manufactured big cars, is building history. Within 18 months, your opportunity to own a new Michigan made full sized GM car will have vanished. Forever.

Make mine a black Buick Lucerne CXL Special Edition, Northstar, ebony leather bench.

And yours?

I got mine fully loaded with the 3800, as apparently she's gonna have to last a long time.

[jbartley]

i'd like to see proof of this speculation...