No V8 For 2011 Cadillac STS

**nsap** · 02-20-2010, 05:56 PM

No V8 For 2011 Cadillac STS
GM online order guide confirms the Northstar is gone in 2011 MY.
www.gminsidenews.com
February 20, 2010
By: Nick Saporito

Details surrounding General Motors' 2011 model-year vehicles is just starting to trickle out. Although no official announcement has been made, a glance at GM's online order guide is confirming that the 2011 Cadillac STS will be devoid of a V8 option.

Since it's launch in the 2005 model-year, the STS has had GM's well-known 4.6L Northstar V8 optional. The overhead cam V8 was rated at 320 horsepower and 315 lb-ft. of torque in the STS application. The Northstar engine dates back to about 1992 and has been in constant use since, with occasional updates.

For the 2008 model-year GM added the 3.6L SIDI V6 as the base engine, replacing the old port injected 3.6L. The new V6 boosted the STS's base power ratings to 302 horsepower and 272 lb-ft. of torque, closing the gap between the V6 and V8 models considerably.

GM has been phasing out the Northstar V8 over the last two years, so this comes as no surprise. It is unclear how much longer the aging STS will remain in production. This may be further confirmation that there will not be a Cadillac DTS in 2011 as the Northstar is it's only engine option.

Stay with GMInsidenews over the coming months as 2011 model-year details continue to become known.

Suziebob · 02-20-2010, 06:00 PM

Having a V8 that only makes 320 horsepower is horrible. While I really wish that GM had kept up engineering on it and made it competitive again, having a V8 with 15ish more horsepower than a V6 is just bad.

bmwboy2007 · 02-20-2010, 06:03 PM

No V-8?.. Seriously?..

nhlkent11 · 02-20-2010, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsap

GM has been phasing out the Northstar V8 over the last two years, so this comes as no surprise. It is unclear how much longer the aging STS will remain in production. This may be further confirmation that there will not be a Cadillac DTS in 2011 as the Northstar is it's only engine option.

Sure sounds like DTS is out. I can't see a major change in powertrains with it's short life left.

2002 Caddy · 02-20-2010, 06:08 PM

To be accurate the NorthStar dates back to early 1992, not 1991. It was first used in the MY 1993 Cadillac Allante which hit the streets in April 1992.

It was standard in the 1993 STS and was used in the Devile first in 1994.

This news is not unexpected but is the beginning of the end of V8's in the Cadillac brand. What a sad end to such a great brand.
It was only 14 years ago (1996) that EVERY Cadillac sold ONLY had V8's...

Very Very sad news.

jpd80 · 02-20-2010, 06:10 PM

As suggested on another thread, are we seeing the STS and DTs slowly being replaced by XTS?
If the next gen CTS grows to about G8 size and the new Alpa products cover the C/D size then
maybe there is no perceived gap in RWD cars...

Parlay84 · 02-20-2010, 06:15 PM

I really liked the STS and it's such a shame to see it die like this.

**nsap** · 02-20-2010, 06:17 PM

Gah, could this car become anymore irrelevant? Just kill it already.

Epsilon-Not · 02-20-2010, 06:19 PM

I'm surprised to hear that there's going to be a 2011 STS, I thought it was going out after MY2010 like the DTS.

It's a shame the Seville line ends like this.

camaro_freak · 02-20-2010, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsap

Gah, could this car become anymore irrelevant? Just kill it already.

I agree - kill it with fire! No major updates while the Chinese get the better SLS

GM should no longer do anything half-assed. Either put the resources into it or drop the vehicle.

Quest · 02-20-2010, 06:32 PM

The only reason they’re not dropping the STS, as they should, is because they’re worried about the number of vehicles under the brand name. Without the STS they’d be down to one Car, a SUV and a CUV for 2011.

They’re worried about the numbers/appearance. Whether they are going to focus on quantity vs. quality of product going forward is the question. Buick has a chance to firmly come out from under Cadillac’s shadow. Gm has no choice but to take the figurative leash off of Buick. Harley Earl should be smiling now. ;-)

AMcA · 02-20-2010, 06:34 PM

Cadillacs have featured V8s since when? 1914.

The first mass-produced V8 ever. And it appears this is the last V8 Cadillac car (OK, Escalades, but I really hate calling 'em Cadillacs).

This is a huge, sad milestone.

Burnout Czar · 02-20-2010, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suziebob

Having a V8 that only makes 320 horsepower is horrible. While I really wish that GM had kept up engineering on it and made it competitive again, having a V8 with 15ish more horsepower than a V6 is just bad.

So what do you think of the 4.8L and 5.3L V-8's used in the GMT900's? 302, and 315 hp respectively. In your eyes what should the minimum horsepower from a V8 be?

Epsilon-Not · 02-20-2010, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMcA

Cadillacs have featured V8s since when? 1914.

The first mass-produced V8 ever. And it appears this is the last V8 Cadillac car (OK, Escalades, but I really hate calling 'em Cadillacs).

This is a huge, sad milestone.

What happened to the CTS-V?

Burnout Czar · 02-20-2010, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMcA

Cadillacs have featured V8s since when? 1914.

The first mass-produced V8 ever. And it appears this is the last V8 Cadillac car (OK, Escalades, but I really hate calling 'em Cadillacs).

This is a huge, sad milestone.

I think you forgot about the CTS-V.

02-20-2010, 05:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
nsap Editor Join Date: Jan 2003 Drives: 2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT Posts: 19,939	No V8 For 2011 Cadillac STS No V8 For 2011 Cadillac STS *GM online order guide confirms the Northstar is gone in 2011 MY.* www.gminsidenews.com February 20, 2010 By: Nick Saporito Details surrounding General Motors' 2011 model-year vehicles is just starting to trickle out. Although no official announcement has been made, a glance at GM's online order guide is confirming that the 2011 Cadillac STS will be devoid of a V8 option. Since it's launch in the 2005 model-year, the STS has had GM's well-known 4.6L Northstar V8 optional. The overhead cam V8 was rated at 320 horsepower and 315 lb-ft. of torque in the STS application. The Northstar engine dates back to about 1992 and has been in constant use since, with occasional updates. For the 2008 model-year GM added the 3.6L SIDI V6 as the base engine, replacing the old port injected 3.6L. The new V6 boosted the STS's base power ratings to 302 horsepower and 272 lb-ft. of torque, closing the gap between the V6 and V8 models considerably. GM has been phasing out the Northstar V8 over the last two years, so this comes as no surprise. It is unclear how much longer the aging STS will remain in production. This may be further confirmation that there will not be a Cadillac DTS in 2011 as the Northstar is it's only engine option. Stay with GMInsidenews over the coming months as 2011 model-year details continue to become known. __________________ http://www.facebook.com/GMInsideNews E-Mail Me Last edited by nsap; 02-20-2010 at 06:11 PM.

02-20-2010, 06:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
Suziebob 6.2 Liter LS3 V8 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Southwestern Virginia Drives: 2003 Chevrolet Cavalier LS Sport Posts: 3,117	Re: No V8 For 2011 Cadillac STS Having a V8 that only makes 320 horsepower is horrible. While I really wish that GM had kept up engineering on it and made it competitive again, having a V8 with 15ish more horsepower than a V6 is just bad.

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2002 Caddy 6.2 Liter LS9 Supercharged V8 Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5,733	Re: No V8 For 2011 Cadillac STS To be accurate the NorthStar dates back to early 1992, not 1991. It was first used in the MY 1993 Cadillac Allante which hit the streets in April 1992. It was standard in the 1993 STS and was used in the Devile first in 1994. This news is not unexpected but is the beginning of the end of V8's in the Cadillac brand. What a sad end to such a great brand. It was only 14 years ago (1996) that EVERY Cadillac sold ONLY had V8's... Very Very sad news. __________________ Cadillac! GM's "Back to the Future" Division GM's Deja Vu Division Cadillac is Truck. Last edited by 2002 Caddy; 02-20-2010 at 06:17 PM.

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jpd80 2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Central Queensland, Australia Drives: FG R6 Ute Posts: 160	Re: No V8 For 2011 Cadillac STS As suggested on another thread, are we seeing the STS and DTs slowly being replaced by XTS? If the next gen CTS grows to about G8 size and the new Alpa products cover the C/D size then maybe there is no perceived gap in RWD cars...

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02-20-2010, 06:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
Parlay84 2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC Join Date: Feb 2008 Drives: LIKE I STOLE IT!!! Posts: 145	Re: No V8 For 2011 Cadillac STS I really liked the STS and it's such a shame to see it die like this.

02-20-2010, 06:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
nsap Editor Join Date: Jan 2003 Drives: 2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT Posts: 19,939	Re: No V8 For 2011 Cadillac STS Gah, could this car become anymore irrelevant? Just kill it already. __________________ http://www.facebook.com/GMInsideNews E-Mail Me

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Epsilon-Not 2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Either Massachusetts or Virginia, USA Posts: 368	Re: No V8 For 2011 Cadillac STS I'm surprised to hear that there's going to be a 2011 STS, I thought it was going out after MY2010 like the DTS. It's a shame the Seville line ends like this.

02-20-2010, 06:32 PM	#11 (permalink)
Quest 2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 440	Re: No V8 For 2011 Cadillac STS The only reason they’re not dropping the STS, as they should, is because they’re worried about the number of vehicles under the brand name. Without the STS they’d be down to one Car, a SUV and a CUV for 2011. They’re worried about the numbers/appearance. Whether they are going to focus on quantity vs. quality of product going forward is the question. Buick has a chance to firmly come out from under Cadillac’s shadow. Gm has no choice but to take the figurative leash off of Buick. Harley Earl should be smiling now. ;-) __________________ "We shall not cease from exploration And the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive where we started And know the place for the first time." -T.S. Eliot “Any rigidity by an automobile manufacturer, no matter how large or how well established, is severely penalized in the market.” -Alfred P. Sloan Jr. (1965) My Years with General Motors.

02-20-2010, 06:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
AMcA 4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,917	Re: No V8 For 2011 Cadillac STS Cadillacs have featured V8s since when? 1914. The first mass-produced V8 ever. And it appears this is the last V8 Cadillac car (OK, Escalades, but I really hate calling 'em Cadillacs). This is a huge, sad milestone.

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