Insideline: Cadillac CTS-V Challenge: BMW Kinda Won

[Dr. Show-Me]

In case there was a definition of "win" I wasn't familiar with, I looked it up.
win
v. won, win·ning, wins
1. To achieve victory or finish first in a competition.
2. To achieve success in an effort or venture: struggled to overcome the handicap and finally won.
1. To achieve victory or finish first in.
2. To receive as a prize or reward for performance.
By the definition of "win," Cadillac won, BMW didn't kinda "win."
Isn't it about time to close this thread?

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by Dr. Show-Me

In case there was a definition of "win" I wasn't familiar with, I looked it up.
win
v. won, win·ning, wins
1. To achieve victory or finish first in a competition.
2. To achieve success in an effort or venture: struggled to overcome the handicap and finally won.
1. To achieve victory or finish first in.
2. To receive as a prize or reward for performance.
By the definition of "win," Cadillac won, BMW didn't kinda "win."
Isn't it about time to close this thread?

Thanks, but I think everyone else here but yourself got my message.

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

I dont think that Caddy wants to move that far, that fast, without having something there to fill in the hole.

Why drag it out. Wouldn't the faster they change the interior the faster they can compete better. Are they trying to overlap the two segments till the ATS comes out.

[Dr. Show-Me]

I don't read all the posts

[BigAls87Z28]

Not at all, but if you launch the CTS next year as a 45k car, that leaves the 30-45k segment gone, a spot that will not be filled for another year.
CTS's MCE will coincide with the launch of the ATS. Cant just leave a large volume segment of the market without having something there.

Originally Posted by Dr. Show-Me

I don't read all the posts

Then just read the ones with the screen names/handles in blue lettering.

[mbukukanyau]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Not at all, but if you launch the CTS next year as a 45k car, that leaves the 30-45k segment gone, a spot that will not be filled for another year.
CTS's MCE will coincide with the launch of the ATS. Cant just leave a large volume segment of the market without having something there.



Then just read the ones with the screen names/handles in blue lettering.

Wow, there is a CTS MCE coming, this is great!!! I will wait to buy until I see the MCE. Seems like my passport will soldier on. I might get wife the Flex or traverse in that time.
Ford might be dealing on the flex.

[All-Or-Nothing]

Excuse my ignorance. MCE stands for what???

[mbukukanyau]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

Excuse my ignorance. MCE stands for what???

Mid-Cycle Enhancement (MCE)
In the automotive world, a mid-cycle enhancement (MCE), also referred to as a mid-cycle refresh, is an opportunity for an automaker to change the basic appearance of its vehicles without changing the overall architecture. For most automakers, the average life cycle of a vehicle design is anywhere from five to seven years so minor changes are made to a vehicle’s image after two or three years to keep the design new and fresh in the eyes of consumers. Since the whole point of a mid-cycle enhancement is to change the appearance of a car without affecting expensive structural components, updates are usually limited to exterior components that are cheaper to redesign and easier to replace such as fenders, fascias, headlights, taillights and the hood. When quality or other concerns have been voiced about a car’s interior, this is usually the point that the automaker addresses any interior shortcomings as well.

A good example of a typical MCE is the 2006 Dodge Ram. After a revolutionary redesign that helped rejuvenate sales of the Ram in 2002, by 2005 most of the competition had been given some sort of design change stealing some of the thunder from Dodge’s design. For the 2006 model, Dodge freshened up the Ram’s look focusing on the front clip. The updated Ram also had new wheels, taillights and a more inviting interior design, but the new front end gave the Ram a bolder, beefier look compared to its competitors. In some instances, the MCE also gives an automaker the opportunity to introduce a new trim level into the lineup, such as the addition of the Mega Cab model of the Ram. While the MCE isn’t carved in stone or a requirement to stay competitive, most automakers use this tactic to keep their vehicles fresh and stylish.

http://www.autotropolis.com/wiki/ind...le_Enhancement

[70eldo]

As for the FACT that the CTS-V is faster than the M3: it was already proven at Nürburg.
It's still a matter of split seconds, but the CTS-V is faster. And worth to notice: more equiped than an M3.

5th place is still a good rank behind ringers. But Cooper is not the average joe either.

Cadillac got their PR for sure. With a car that only has 2 generations of development, compared to 30+ years of development to the M3. Well done Cadillac!!!

[mbukukanyau]

Originally Posted by 70eldo

As for the FACT that the CTS-V is faster than the M3: it was already proven at Nürburg.
It's still a matter of split seconds, but the CTS-V is faster. And worth to notice: more equiped than an M3.

5th place is still a good rank behind ringers. But Cooper is not the average joe either.

Cadillac got their PR for sure. With a car that only has 2 generations of development, compared to 30+ years of development to the M3. Well done Cadillac!!!

I am amazed that it took Cadillac only two generations to catch up with the M5 and pass it. This has never been done before.

Anyone looking at this should marvel at Cadillac's achievement.

[Simon says]

Originally Posted by mbukukanyau

I am amazed that it took Cadillac only two generations to catch up with the M5 and pass it. This has never been done before.

Anyone looking at this should marvel at Cadillac's achievement.

Check Car & Driver's latest issue. The CTS-V beats the XFR fair and square . . . not so much the E63.

[AMERICA 123]

Originally Posted by 70eldo

As for the FACT that the CTS-V is faster than the M3: it was already proven at Nürburg.
It's still a matter of split seconds, but the CTS-V is faster. And worth to notice: more equiped than an M3.

5th place is still a good rank behind ringers. But Cooper is not the average joe either.

Cadillac got their PR for sure. With a car that only has 2 generations of development, compared to 30+ years of development to the M3. Well done Cadillac!!!

Pretty well said although Mr Cooper's highly favorable comments and likely better time in the CTS -V do matter.

Anyway,

All your points are correct.

I especially like the fact that -

No matter how you want to look at it - the Caddy's there in spades - right in the top two group of this interesting class.

And no question the best demonstrated brakes in a real 'practical' sense plus plus.

[mbukukanyau]

Originally Posted by Simon says

Check Car & Driver's latest issue. The CTS-V beats the XFR fair and square . . . not so much the E63.

people still read car and driver?

[Millefune]

Read the whole article. The Benz is over $15K more, and got SMOKED to 150 mph (and would have been r*ped in the 1/4-mile if they were able to get an automatic V). You know, the range where egos are broken on highways all across America. The CTS-V is more of a driver's car.