First Mercedes, now Jaguar pulls out of Lutz CTS-V Challenge; Lutz Responds

Buick61 · 10-27-2009, 05:26 PM

See below for Lutz's response

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Jalopnik.com
Ray Wert

Jaguar PR just called saying they've withdrawn their pledge to let Wes race the XFR Thursday against GM's Bob Lutz in a Cadillac CTS-V. Apparently, not because they're afraid to lose, they're afraid the XFR just can't take it. Pussies.

It's true. Stuart Schorr, Jaguar's main product PR man, told us flat out he expected the XFR would lose to the CTS-V, so it's not that he's afraid to lose to "Maximum" Bob Lutz.

Instead, they're afraid the XFR can't handle the strain. Specifically, the brakes. Without better brake cooling, Schorr tells us his folks are concerned the XFR just can't put the necessary laps in.

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Jaguar PR man's response:

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Ray, nice juvenile, but clever, use of the feline wordplay, but one correction on your missive. I said I was concerned that five hot laps without added brake cooling system could compromise the stopping power and thus create a safety concern for your driver. The car can handle it.

The CTS-V is probably the fastest car of the class on the track, whether its the best car of its class is a different matter. I wonder if your readers think the fastest on track car is the best car?

Good luck at Monticello.
Stuart

http://jalopnik.com/5391222

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Bob Lutz's Reaction
Josh Oliver, The GM Source

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I think it means that the European high-performance sedans are excellent, even
superb cars, but quite possibly not ready for racing laps right out of the
show-room. The CTS-V is not only quicker, but will, in totally untweaked, stock
form, run hot laps at any race track until it runs out of fuel. Transmission oil and
diff oil temps are stable, engine oil temp doesn't go up, brakes get a bit more
pedal travel, but don't fade. The street tires get a tad greasy, but handling and
control remain excellent. "May the best car win"! (It wins automatically if the
competitors won't show up!)

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wescoent · 10-27-2009, 05:29 PM

Wow, really?

That's pretty horrible... can't even lay down 5 laps?

And you guys ripped on the poor SHO...

fp115 · 10-27-2009, 05:34 PM

I love this quote:

Quote:

Ray, nice juvenile, but clever, use of the feline wordplay, but one correction on your missive. I said I was concerned that five hot laps without added brake cooling system could compromise the stopping power and thus create a safety concern for your driver. The car can handle it.

The CTS-V is probably the fastest car of the class on the track, whether its the best car of its class is a different matter. I wonder if your readers think the fastest on track car is the best car?

Good luck at Monticello.
Stuart

MalibuMaxxSS · 10-27-2009, 05:36 PM

SAD, maybe Mercedes and Jag should build some better cars that can stand up to GM

Buick61 · 10-27-2009, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fp115

I love this quote:

Thanks fp115, I'll add the response to the original post.

FenwickHockey65 · 10-27-2009, 05:39 PM

So basically Jaguar's PR guy is saying they built a performance car without adequate brake cooling?

mgescuro · 10-27-2009, 05:40 PM

Mercedes and Jaguar should stand by their products.

It was already obvious that both would have lost to the CTS-V, as they don't even come close to the HP numbers.

It's strange about the Jaguar, as it is Ring tested. Though, the excessive heat from the differential was noted on the Ring, which causes the computer to override the Traction Control systems and keep it on, which would severely hamper track times.

oh well....
At least the XFR still owns the land speed record at Bonneville....

Quickening · 10-27-2009, 05:47 PM

Pwnd.

Nothing more needs to be said about this.

MalibuMaxxSS · 10-27-2009, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fp115

I love this quote:

I was more impressed at least GM will stand behind it and use it for racing and true performance, the other??....posers?..apparently, its like advertising a 4x4 but saying not to actually use 4x4 as it may not work right or fail.

if you advertising a true sports car/sprot sedan whatever and say it is able to run with the big dogs then it should be able to. Do you know how much flak GM would take if this situation was reversed, OMFG, they would be crusified for not standing behind their car, and laughed at...

hats off GM.....keep building them and keep wasting the competition. This is a bitch of a nice car, our Dealer principle drives his daily and man it hauls ass

Kennyboy · 10-27-2009, 05:54 PM

I'm guessing the reason why Jaguar decided to pull out of the race is because their car will probably broke down in the middle of the ring, causing a potential hazard to Bob and the car.

chakis24 · 10-27-2009, 05:54 PM

wow. at least show up and put it through the race or attempt it. at least you can say you showed up, and these are professionals, i think they know when a car needs to be pulled over and given a dnf.

why did the benz pull out anyway?

oh, and the picture on the jalopnik site is awesome.

AMERICA 123 · 10-27-2009, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fp115

I love this quote:

Same here.

Priceless.

Meanwhile "V" for Victory - and it hasn't even been run.

1G6 · 10-27-2009, 06:08 PM

This is hilarious. Lutz is awesome.

DetroitWonk · 10-27-2009, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chakis24

oh, and the picture on the jalopnik site is awesome.

Thanks. We worked hard on it.

Elvisuperman · 10-27-2009, 06:14 PM

Ha ha...too funny. 2 down.

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mgescuro R2-D2 Astromech Droid Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 28,186	Re: First Mercedes, now Jaguar pulls out of Lutz CTS-V Challenge Mercedes and Jaguar should stand by their products. It was already obvious that both would have lost to the CTS-V, as they don't even come close to the HP numbers. It's strange about the Jaguar, as it is Ring tested. Though, the excessive heat from the differential was noted on the Ring, which causes the computer to override the Traction Control systems and keep it on, which would severely hamper track times. oh well.... At least the XFR still owns the land speed record at Bonneville.... __________________ 2000 Saab 9-5 Aero 1995 Mercedes C280 1994 Jaguar XJ6 ...when all hope is gone, you know sad songs say so much... GMReinvention.com Cadillac: The Art of Irrelevancy *SAN FRANCISCO 2020!!*

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Kennyboy 4.6 Liter Northstar V8 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Long Beach, CA Drives: Caddy CTS Posts: 1,845	Re: First Mercedes, now Jaguar pulls out of Lutz CTS-V Challenge I'm guessing the reason why Jaguar decided to pull out of the race is because their car will probably broke down in the middle of the ring, causing a potential hazard to Bob and the car. __________________

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