Comparison: BMW 335i vs. Cadillac ATS vs. Mercedes-Benz C350

  1. Welcome to GM Inside News Forum – General discussion forum for GM

    Welcome to GM Inside News Forum - a website dedicated to all things GM.

    You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, at no cost, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, Join GM Inside News Forum today!
     
+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 51

Thread: Comparison: BMW 335i vs. Cadillac ATS vs. Mercedes-Benz C350

  1. #1
    4.6 Liter Northstar V8 impala02's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Greenwich, CT
    Posts
    1,874
    Thanks
    203
    Thanked 212 Times in 116 Posts
    My Ride
    2011 Chevy Equinox

    Comparison: BMW 335i vs. Cadillac ATS vs. Mercedes-Benz C350

    Comparison: BMW 335i vs. Cadillac ATS vs. Mercedes-Benz C350
    MotorTrend
    December 4, 2012
    by Jonny Lieberman


    "I think the problem here is that we've got three second-place cars," I said to my colleagues Scott Evans and Mike Febbo as we sat down to a late lunch after a day of hard driving. The task at hand was to sort out a finishing order for our three contenders. Surprise, surprise -- there are no perfect cars. But in terms of the $50K six-cylinder luxury sport sedan segment, we were stymied -- at first -- by three of the best. In order of newness, the closely competitive cars are the Cadillac ATS 3.6, the BMW 335i Sport, and the Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport. At around $42,000, each car has an engine good for north of 300 hp, an automatic transmission, four doors, and rear drive. Between the lightest and the heaviest is a scant 107 pounds. Dimensionally, they're all within inches of each other. Check this out: "Struts, coil springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar." That's from the charts at the end of this article. The suspension info is identical for all three.

    We finally decided that what really counts in this segment is how the cars drive. After all, that was the determining criteria we used when naming the 328i the winner of our eight-car comparison. On this day, one car shone much brighter on the winding roads than the other two. That car is the Cadillac ATS. From Evans: "This chassis...wow. Unbelievable. I'm just blown away by how well this car drives. Those two are luxury sport sedans. This is a luxury sports car."

    Indeed. When I was pushing the Caddy hard up in the mountains above Malibu, I was also overcome by the sensation that I was driving a sports car. Something very similar to a Nissan 370Z, in fact. As odd as it may sound, Cadillac has built a car that goes around corners better than it runs in a straight line. And as for straight-line driving, the Cadillac's ride is on the firm side of firm, and that's in Touring mode. When you switch to Sport, the ride becomes harsh. Febbo explained, "I like the suspension, which makes me wonder if most people will think it too stiff. Most companies, like BMW, have become scared of aggressive rebound rates, but Cadillac has the balls to go hard."

    So that's our story. While flawed, the Cadillac ATS is the best $50,000 sport sedan of the three. Audi couldn't make an S4 materialize in time for this comparison, so we can't say with certainty the Caddy is the best you can buy. However, I'll go out on a limb and say it is. Summarized Mr. Evans, "When we did that eight-car comparison the 328i won, I remember getting out of the other cars, climbing into the BMW, and thinking, 'This is it. This is how you do it.' I had the same feeling today driving the Cadillac ATS."

    1st: Place: Cadillac ATS 3.6
    Nürburgring Nordschleife-developed chassis beats the Germans at their own game. However, the dated transmission and CUE need fixing.

    Full article at link.
    Last edited by ne_one; 12-04-2012 at 12:52 PM.

  2. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to impala02 For This Useful Post:

    amamas (12-04-2012),Carguy (12-05-2012),Michael_S (12-04-2012)

  3. Remove Advertisements
    GM Inside News
    Advertisements
     

  4. #2
    4.6 Liter Northstar V8 impala02's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Greenwich, CT
    Posts
    1,874
    Thanks
    203
    Thanked 212 Times in 116 Posts
    My Ride
    2011 Chevy Equinox

    Re: Motor Trend comparo: ATS for the victory!

    Great job Cadillac! I really didn't think that MT would give the nod to the ATS over the 335i.

    2011 Equinox
    2002 Impala

    "What is left unsaid in all this is the fact that conventional cars with a tank full of petrol are far greater fire hazards than electric cars will ever be. Some 185,000 vehicles catch fire in America each year, with no fewer than 285 people dying as a consequence. But, then, people have been living with the hazard of petrol for over a century. Irrationally, electric-vehicle fires are perceived as somehow more worrisome simply because they are new." - The Economist

  5. The Following User Says Thank You to impala02 For This Useful Post:

    Michael_S (12-04-2012)

  6. #3
    6.2 Liter LS3 V8
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    3,246
    Thanks
    17
    Thanked 312 Times in 147 Posts
    My Ride
    2012 Regal Turbo White

    Re: Motor Trend comparo: ATS for the victory!

    Quote Originally Posted by impala02 View Post
    Great job Cadillac! I really didn't think that MT would give the nod to the ATS over the 335i.

    When C&D says the same thing, the world as we know it will have come to an end.

  7. The Following User Says Thank You to goatgary For This Useful Post:

    Canuck (12-04-2012)

  8. #4
    b4z
    b4z is offline
    6.2 Liter LS3 V8
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Charleston, SC
    Posts
    3,492
    Thanks
    112
    Thanked 223 Times in 152 Posts

    Re: Comparison: BMW 335i vs. Cadillac ATS vs. Mercedes-Benz C350

    Isn't this a repost?

  9. The Following User Says Thank You to b4z For This Useful Post:

    sfbreh (12-04-2012)

  10. #5
    6.2 Liter LS3 V8 KingElvis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    3,826
    Thanks
    315
    Thanked 421 Times in 250 Posts
    My Ride
    2010 DODGE RAM ST RCSB HEMI

    Re: Comparison: BMW 335i vs. Cadillac ATS vs. Mercedes-Benz C350

    Repost of a video segment that was on the ticker last week. But good to see the ATS getting its due.
    Check out my automotive blog http://elvisceralappeal.blogspot.com/

  11. The Following User Says Thank You to KingElvis For This Useful Post:

    b4z (12-04-2012)

  12. #6
    4.6 Liter Northstar V8 impala02's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Greenwich, CT
    Posts
    1,874
    Thanks
    203
    Thanked 212 Times in 116 Posts
    My Ride
    2011 Chevy Equinox

    Re: Comparison: BMW 335i vs. Cadillac ATS vs. Mercedes-Benz C350

    Quote Originally Posted by b4z View Post
    Isn't this a repost?
    This is the actual article that goes along with the video that was previously posted.

    2011 Equinox
    2002 Impala

    "What is left unsaid in all this is the fact that conventional cars with a tank full of petrol are far greater fire hazards than electric cars will ever be. Some 185,000 vehicles catch fire in America each year, with no fewer than 285 people dying as a consequence. But, then, people have been living with the hazard of petrol for over a century. Irrationally, electric-vehicle fires are perceived as somehow more worrisome simply because they are new." - The Economist

  13. The Following User Says Thank You to impala02 For This Useful Post:

    b4z (12-04-2012)

  14. #7
    2.8 Liter Turbocharged V6
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Americas
    Posts
    865
    Thanks
    103
    Thanked 344 Times in 200 Posts
    My Ride
    a car

    Re: Comparison: BMW 335i vs. Cadillac ATS vs. Mercedes-Benz C350

    Its amazing how these magizines will not give Cadillac the unqualified absolute victory, even when its clearly the victor, throwing words like 'flawed' in there. Just say it, Cadillac is now the Standard of the world, simple and clear. Wait until the new CTS comes online.

  15. The Following User Says Thank You to mchicha For This Useful Post:

    camaro_freak (12-04-2012)

  16. #8
    6.0 Liter L76 V8 voyager's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Amsterdam, Netherlands
    Posts
    2,077
    Thanks
    9
    Thanked 56 Times in 41 Posts
    My Ride
    Guzzi Monza Saab 90 Alfa 156SW

    Re: Comparison: BMW 335i vs. Cadillac ATS vs. Mercedes-Benz C350

    Talking about Cadillac, it was just announced that there is not going to be a CTS wagon. Too bad, that would have been a funky caddie.
    GeneratinGMobilizing
    Good Day Shine

  17. #9
    Firebird Concept (the turbine one) johnstarnes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Tampa
    Posts
    11,441
    Thanks
    1,065
    Thanked 242 Times in 171 Posts

    Re: Comparison: BMW 335i vs. Cadillac ATS vs. Mercedes-Benz C350

    Sometimes the total grille opening on the ATS looks too big, like a gaping mouth, other times not.

  18. #10
    6.2 Liter LS3 V8 BlackGTP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Connecticut
    Posts
    3,715
    Thanks
    174
    Thanked 660 Times in 395 Posts
    My Ride
    2008 Chevy Malibu LTZ V6 black

    Re: Comparison: BMW 335i vs. Cadillac ATS vs. Mercedes-Benz C350

    Wow - GM needs to apply this ability to get it right to it's other vehicle lines - especially midsize sedans (Malibu).

    GM needs to take the team that developed the ATS and understand what they did differently to create a class leading vehicle. Then use this knowlege thoughout all other development processes. I'm not saying that GM hasn't been doing well with other vehicles, but the ATS is heads and shoulders above - all of GM's cars need to be like this.
    Last edited by BlackGTP; 12-04-2012 at 01:24 PM.

  19. #11
    3.6 Liter SIDI V6 CamaroCrazy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Posts
    1,063
    Thanks
    16
    Thanked 45 Times in 20 Posts
    My Ride
    1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28

    Re: Comparison: BMW 335i vs. Cadillac ATS vs. Mercedes-Benz C350

    I drove the ATS 3.6 Premium vs my 335i. I'll say that the ATS is better riding thanks to the magnetic ride, but I wish the sport seats in the ATS were as beefy as the ones in my 335i. Also, I don't like the variable steering in the ATS or variable steering in general. My BMW has a nice linear weigh to it that inspires confidence in driving. ATS is a really good car. It tempts me still even though I didn't feel it was a must have.
    Current Cars:
    2007 BMW 335i sedan, manual transmission, M Sport Package (to be replaced with a 2014 Chevrolet SS)
    1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28

    Past Cars:
    1974 Chevrolet Monte Carlo, 1984 Chevrolet Impala, 1998 Pontiac Grand Am, 2000 Chevrolet Camaro

  20. #12
    GMI Staff Member Premium Member vanshmack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    78°14′46″N 15°27′56″E
    Posts
    2,765
    Thanks
    347
    Thanked 307 Times in 169 Posts

    Re: Comparison: BMW 335i vs. Cadillac ATS vs. Mercedes-Benz C350

    Hell just officially froze over.

    Well done, Cadillac!
    2006 Impala SS: Eats transmissions, drinks oil, but reasonably quick.
    2002 Camaro Z28 (M6); Iron block, aluminum heads, lots of LEDs.

  21. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to vanshmack For This Useful Post:

    germeezy1 (12-04-2012),zackythekid (12-05-2012)

  22. #13
    6.2 Liter LS3 V8 Rocket 88's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    3,264
    Thanks
    17
    Thanked 107 Times in 68 Posts

    Re: Comparison: BMW 335i vs. Cadillac ATS vs. Mercedes-Benz C350

    Quote Originally Posted by impala02 View Post
    Febbo explained, "I like the suspension, which makes me wonder if most people will think it too stiff. Most companies, like BMW, have become scared of aggressive rebound rates, but Cadillac has the balls to go hard."
    Forget "New Standard of the World." and replace it with"Cadillac - the balls to go hard!"
    *

  23. #14
    3.0 Liter SIDI V6
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Missouri
    Posts
    673
    Thanks
    154
    Thanked 46 Times in 31 Posts

    Re: Comparison: BMW 335i vs. Cadillac ATS vs. Mercedes-Benz C350

    On this day, one car shone much brighter on the winding roads than the other two. That car is the Cadillac ATS. From Evans: "This chassis...wow. Unbelievable. I'm just blown away by how well this car drives. Those two are luxury sport sedans. This is a luxury sports car."

    enuf said

  24. #15
    2.5L Iron Duke
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    15
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Comparison: BMW 335i vs. Cadillac ATS vs. Mercedes-Benz C350

    Motor Trend test results are for sale. I've followed GM long enough to know the routine, it happens ever time they have a new "game changing" model. Now that we are on GM's 6th or 7th "rebirth" this was expected. All new models come out strong and then by the next comparison they are outdated relics and a new king is crowned. It is easy to create a new model and beat the established brands, it is something else entirely to year after year stay on top - like civic, corolla, camry, 3 series, F150, etc. That is, has been and will always be GM's problem. They get some momentum and change names - i.e. cavalier, cobalt, cruze... I'm surprised they stuck with malibu quite frankly. lol

    The ATS I am sure is a fine car, however GM cannot erase 30 years of dominance and brand recognition the others have. BMW and mercedes have huge advantages, they are dedicated established luxury brands - people want those emblems in their driveway. Cadillac isn't there yet. As long as those others get mentioned in comparison and Cadillac is an alternative to those rather than the must have - this will continue.

    My problem with the ATS is it's styling. It is a smaller CTS. I wanted something different and not the same old thing. So it has all the goodies, it can be equipped with a manual. Underneath though it is all GM, probably has a few Sonic bits and pieces hidden in there somewhere to cut corners. A bmw or a mercedes on the other hand aren't anything else, it is all they do. (You could argue bmw makes minis, but they hardly share as much as most GM products do and minis are hardly crappy cars.)

    Bravo Caddy for building a competitive car, which is exactly what a car company is supposed to do. So I am not celebrating too much. I'd be seriously worried if I were GM, I haven't seen much real change since the bailout.

  25. Remove Advertisements
    GM Inside News
    Advertisements
     

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v4.1.2