AN Comment: Cadillac Should Pull Out Of Europe; 07 Sales In 28 Countries Just 3K

[megeebee]

Originally Posted by OLDSCHOOLGMFAN

Caddy can't be BMW.
Caddy can't be Mercedes.
Caddy can't be Audi.

Your'e dang right I'm serious.

Here is it is everyone. The 2011 DeFleet-Dorado-Ville as designed by OLDSCHOOLGMFAN:

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by OLDSCHOOLGMFAN

Caddy can't be BMW.
Caddy can't be Mercedes.
Caddy can't be Audi.

You're right. Cadillac can only be Cadillac.
The problem is Cadillac doesn't know what Cadillac is.

Also, Cadillac's definition of luxury -- as well as yours -- is outdated.

So something has to be done at Cadillac to define itself.
And cars like STS and DTS just aren't doing it.

[schmallz]

Originally Posted by OLDSCHOOLGMFAN

Partner, why can't you see that them European critters nor the Americans who think like them will EVER like or want the Euro wannabe Caddys? They didn't want no Cimmarons, no Allantes, no downsized big Caddys, no Cateras, no XLRs, no BLSs, and no CTS neither. That ain't NEVER gonna change partner, so Caddy is simply throwin' good green away tryin' to get the critters. Green that could be spent on bulding and improving REAL Caddys.

Change was one of the first hardships faced by humanity, unfortunely it is still one of the most difficult to deal with.

If you don't like the CTS, upcoming BTS or the other Caddies that are with out a doubt some of the finest cars they have ever crafted, then don't buy them. You seem like the type of feller that will be happy in the new DTS/STS replacement, if that doesn't meet your criteria as a real Caddy, then you can piss and moan all you want. Untill then, keep your fingers crossed.

[schmallz]

Originally Posted by megeebee

Here is it is everyone. The 2011 DeFleet-Dorado-Ville as designed by OLDSCHOOLGMFAN:

Why would some one do this to us?

[mrodino]

I disagree with all the postings. Cadillac must remain in Europe and the fact that it is successful in Russia tells us that it will be successful in Western Europe. However, it needs to advertise and it needs to sell more cars. Given the Euro/dollar exchange rate, the price at which Cadillacs are sold in Europe is inexcusable. I own 3 Cadillacs in Europe, including a 1997 STS, an 07 Escalade and a 08 STS V - yet I bought all of them in the US and brought them over. Why? The US price is 1/2 the EUropean price. The only reason more Europeans are not buying Cadillacs is simply that they do not see them on the road and since they continue to have this lingering perception that they are gas guzzling hogs and do not see them on the road this perception does not change.

However, failure is not an option because unless Americans who buy the majority of Cadillacs, do not become convinced that Europeans are also buying Cadillacs, then most of the snobs here in the US will continue to buy the German marques. Furthermore, we drive our cars in Europe and at speeds well into the triple digits. If they can succeed there they can succeed anywhere. Success in China, Russia and the Middle East is nice but is no substitute for convincing the Italians, Germans, French and Britons that we make the best cars in the world.

[aldw]

Originally Posted by mrodino

I disagree with all the postings. Cadillac must remain in Europe and the fact that it is successful in Russia tells us that it will be successful in Western Europe. However, it needs to advertise and it needs to sell more cars. Given the Euro/dollar exchange rate, the price at which Cadillacs are sold in Europe is inexcusable. I own 3 Cadillacs in Europe, including a 1997 STS, an 07 Escalade and a 08 STS V - yet I bought all of them in the US and brought them over. Why? The US price is 1/2 the EUropean price. The only reason more Europeans are not buying Cadillacs is simply that they do not see them on the road and since they continue to have this lingering perception that they are gas guzzling hogs and do not see them on the road this perception does not change.

However, failure is not an option because unless Americans who buy the majority of Cadillacs, do not become convinced that Europeans are also buying Cadillacs, then most of the snobs here in the US will continue to buy the German marques. Furthermore, we drive our cars in Europe and at speeds well into the triple digits. If they can succeed there they can succeed anywhere. Success in China, Russia and the Middle East is nice but is no substitute for convincing the Italians, Germans, French and Britons that we make the best cars in the world.

My sentiments exactly, just do it an damn the excuses all the way. That's what is necessary to make Cadillac sell anywhere.

[baloo]

Well, that's easier said than done, isn't it? Despite adding a new model (BLS) and a rapidly growing car market in Eastern Europe, Caddy has not made any headway. Sales are flat at 250/month, and some of those are even going to GM employees and rental fleets.

The fairly unattractive pricing is no surprise either if you consider how the cars are distributed. Kroymanns is not a charity, which means there's one more middle-man that wants to make a profit.
And don't forget about the huge overhead which has to be paid for somehow. If a dealer only sells 10 cars a year, $1000 of profit per car won't cut it. Not to mention that on average 110 customers/year have to fund the marketing, parts logistics and dealers for an entire country.

[OLDSCHOOLGMFAN]

Originally Posted by megeebee

Here is it is everyone. The 2011 DeFleet-Dorado-Ville as designed by OLDSCHOOLGMFAN:

Partner, I ain't sure what your point is supposed to be puttin' this here picture up, but I AM sure about this. The 1971 to 1978 Caddy Eldorado was a fine, beautiful car that Caddy sold a TON of, that was LIKED by a lot a folks, and is considered a Classic now.

None a that can be said about any Euro wannabe Caddys built since 1982.


Whoever did this dog behind ugly conversion messin' up this beautiful car needs ta be horsewhipped dang it!

Them beautiful lines are still there, so this photo tells me that Caddy needs to go back ta it's roots.

[OLDSCHOOLGMFAN]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

You're right. Cadillac can only be Cadillac.
The problem is Cadillac doesn't know what Cadillac is.

Also, Cadillac's definition of luxury -- as well as yours -- is outdated.

So something has to be done at Cadillac to define itself.
And cars like STS and DTS just aren't doing it.

Partner, when Caddy was sellin' it's big traditional classics, it didn't have no dang trouble figurin' out who it's dang self was! Shoot, what does that tell you? It tells me that they had the plum right idea!


What is so dang outdated about a comfortable big luxury car that ain't tryin' ta be no racecar? Are limos outdated? Are people who want a classy, comfortable car from a black car service outdated? This don't make no plum sense!


The STS is a Euro wannabe cushy race car. It is smaller, it is RWD, it has a ton a' horsepressure, but it still AIN'T a BMW, and that is why the thing sells worse than spit. The 1998 to 2004 Seville was a big, fast, comfortable REAL Caddy, sporyt, but still big and comfortable like a Caddy should be, so it sold good. What does that tell ya partner? It tells me that Caddy took a step dang backwards with the 2005 STS!


The DTS is a fine REAL Caddy, a big, comfortable luxury car in the true Caddy tradition, but she is past her dang prime! She needs ta' be redesigned, but Caddy is too busy with the dang Euro wannabes and wastin' money on that hem hawin' in Europe to redesign a dang important model!

[OLDSCHOOLGMFAN]

Originally Posted by schmallz

If you don't like the CTS, upcoming BTS or the other Caddies that are with out a doubt some of the finest cars they have ever crafted, then don't buy them. You seem like the type of feller that will be happy in the new DTS/STS replacement, if that doesn't meet your criteria as a real Caddy, then you can piss and moan all you want. Untill then, keep your fingers crossed.

No I don't like the dang CTS, BTS or them other Euro wannabe Caddys. That is my plum right! I like REAL Caddys! Like a 2008 DTS or a 1971 to 1978 Eldorado!

Hoo haw, them Euro wannabe Caddys are so dang fine that is why Caddy is still havin' about as much success as a mouse tryin' to be friends with a big ol' Cat chasin 'em in tryin to get them Critters who love the Euro cushy race cars to buy the dang things, both here and in ol' Europe, and as this report says, it AIN'T A WORKIN'!


Partner, it ain't right tryin' to shush me cause I and others point out that Caddy ain't havin' no success in sellin' it's Euro wannabes to the Euro cushy race car lovers and gettin 'em to love Caddy like they do BMW, Mercedes, and Audi. It ain't our fault that them critters don't wanna listen to you or Caddy on that!


I love my REAL Caddies, and if the next DTS is true to that tradition, I will buy 'er! It has always been my dang dream ta buy a brand new Caddy!

[Exploder]

OK, let's put it this way:

If Cadillac makes the big cars you want, S-class size but has a cushy ride option, why would you still complain if they make "Euro-critters"?

[Robert Ryan]

The image of Cadillac is not high in Europe. This Cadillac has been entered into a "Banger Race" like a figure 8 demo derby.

[OLDSCHOOLGMFAN]

Originally Posted by Exploder

OK, let's put it this way:

If Cadillac makes the big cars you want, S-class size but has a cushy ride option, why would you still complain if they make "Euro-critters"?

You're close ta what I am upset about and what I want partner. Let me plain a little more. I think Caddy should NOT just have one big car, but at least three! A big super sedan to compete with Bentleys, Rolls Royces, Maybachs and such, 220 inches long, a regular big sedan to compete with Town Cars, 300s, and such, 210-218 inches long, and a nice big coupe and convertibles like the Classic Eldorados, with sporty versions 203-205 inches long.


Like it or you don't, Caddy has ALWAYS been a big car company, and I don't see know dang reason for that ta change! What pisses me off is that Caddy is spending MOST of it's green, time, and effort on the small Euro wannabes, and they AIN'T no closer ta gettin' them critters who love the Euro cushy race cars ta give Caddy a second look!


So to answer your good question partner, I would be happy if Caddy offered more than just ONE big car (I don't count that Escalade, that's a dang truck!). Then if they still wanted to make them Euro wannabes, I would just ignore 'em, shoot just like the folks that Caddy wants ta buy the dang things do! Hee haw!

[OLDSCHOOLGMFAN]

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

The image of Cadillac is not high in Europe. This Cadillac has been entered into a "Banger Race" like a figure 8 demo derby.

That there is a plum DISGUSTING waste of a good classic Caddy!

[schmallz]

Originally Posted by OLDSCHOOLGMFAN

You're close ta what I am upset about and what I want partner. Let me plain a little more. I think Caddy should NOT just have one big car, but at least three! A big super sedan to compete with Bentleys, Rolls Royces, Maybachs and such, 220 inches long, a regular big sedan to compete with Town Cars, 300s, and such, 210-218 inches long, and a nice big coupe and convertibles like the Classic Eldorados, with sporty versions 203-205 inches long.


Like it or you don't, Caddy has ALWAYS been a big car company, and I don't see know dang reason for that ta change! What pisses me off is that Caddy is spending MOST of it's green, time, and effort on the small Euro wannabes, and they AIN'T no closer ta gettin' them critters who love the Euro cushy race cars ta give Caddy a second look!


So to answer your good question partner, I would be happy if Caddy offered more than just ONE big car (I don't count that Escalade, that's a dang truck!). Then if they still wanted to make them Euro wannabes, I would just ignore 'em, shoot just like the folks that Caddy wants ta buy the dang things do! Hee haw!

What is your infactuation with large cars? Compensating for something?

Some of us perfer the euro-wannabes to the land barges. And if GM doesn't offer a car like that for those buyers, GM won't get the sale.