Cadillac XTS to use modified Buick LaCrosse underpinnings - Page 3

DBeaSSt · 08-13-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by megeebee

......The new car is not going to be priced nearly as high as the STS. We've been told it will be priced largely alongside the CTS. So it really isn't a "replacement" for the STS.

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Ah, so if it's going to priced along side the CTS ($35K-$50K) then it doesn't need to exist. Why does Caddy need two sedans in the same price range? Even if it is DTS sized (not likely.)

What Caddy DOES need is a full size sedan to compete with the big boys from BMW and Mercedes. If the CTS is a BMW 5 Series at a 3 Series price, the next 'big' Caddy should be a 7 Series at a 5 Series price. Anything less is below what Caddy should be.

Yeah, we all know they don't have the money for a proper 7 Series competitor. Update and slightly stretch the STS and drop the DTS. It must be cheaper to do that then a whole new model on a different chassis.

Oh well, guess I"ll be holding onto my STS for a loooong time.

mbukukanyau · 08-13-2009, 01:22 PM

Has Cadillac seen the Hyundai Equus? Or does the web not reach michigan? What is Cadillac thinking?

megeebee · 08-13-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DBeaSSt

Ah, so if it's going to priced along side the CTS ($35K-$50K) then it doesn't need to exist. Why does Caddy need two sedans in the same price range? Even if it is DTS sized (not likely.)

????????????? Ask Lexus how they do with the IS and ES lines. They are completely different types of cars, but are priced roughly in the same region and both sell very well. The XTS (or whatever it's finally called) will sell to a completely different person with completely different ideas of what kind of car they want.

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Originally Posted by DBeaSSt

What Caddy DOES need is a full size sedan to compete with the big boys from BMW and Mercedes.

Eventually, yes. But the volume, and proift, in the luxury market is in the "middle". When this market is more secure, then a higher end Cadillac can have a ghost's-chance of succeeding. The S, 7 series, A8, and LS 2008 sales in this country combined were 53,143 (Automotive News Data Center). How many cars could Cadillac hope to sell in that price range against these well established names? Four thousand? Five thousand? And the billions it would take to develop such a car, divided by the number of sales?

megeebee · 08-13-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mbukukanyau

Has Cadillac seen the Hyundai Equus? Or does the web not reach michigan? What is Cadillac thinking?

I dunno. But one thing is certain. Hyundai has seen a Buick.

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wescoent · 08-13-2009, 02:08 PM

All I know, this will basically be a copy of the MKS, and the MKS does sell very well.

Butz · 08-13-2009, 02:14 PM

does X stand for AWD?

FenwickHockey65 · 08-13-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Butz

does X stand for AWD?

No, I think X was just thrown in there because it sounds cool. Just like X was in XLR...didn't stand for anything...

I think it's time we all admit to ourselves that the XTS won't be the super-awesome RWD flagship sedan that we wanted...but it will be a DTS replacement...

CheetahDC · 08-13-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

No, I think X was just thrown in there because it sounds cool. Just like X was in XLR...didn't stand for anything...

I always thought the XLR name was a neat three letter homage to the word "accelerate".

cad1cts · 08-13-2009, 03:13 PM

Looks like the FWD mushmobiles are getting kicked into high gear! (sarcasm oozing)
I'm already on record as saying that I like the MKS alot...which I do especially with ecoboost. Good stuff. I think autoblog or someone like that said that the new XTS interior reminded them of Vertu in terms of look, feel, use, ect. That's a good thing for Cadillac. Those phones are the creme de la creme of cell phones. I'm cautiously looking forward to it.

megeebee · 08-13-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by wescoent

All I know, this will basically be a copy of the MKS,..

You might be right. If you can't have a world-beating, knock out RWD sedan that will bring attention and credit to your brand, then I guess you have to settle for emulating Lincoln.

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and the MKS does sell very well.

According to Automotive News Data Center sales of the MKS through July of this calendar year are 9666. (The ancient DTS has sold 9011. The Lucerne 18,193, the Lexus ES 24,756 in the same period.)

Add this to last years' sales of 12,982, and the MKS has sold a total of 22,048 (including fleet) in the 12-13 months its been on the market.

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megeebee · 08-13-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cad1cts

Looks like the FWD mushmobiles are getting kicked into high gear! (sarcasm oozing)

Have you driven this new Cadillac?

ral1960 · 08-13-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DBeaSSt

Oh well, guess I"ll be holding onto my STS for a loooong time.

The next generation of CTS will likely move upmarket, in size and features, so it won't be competing with the ATS.

I think the DTS is the only GM sedan left with enough room in the rear for me to not mash my head, and it has decent trunkspace. It's like they intentionally push people into SUVs.

I wish they'd update the grille on the DTS, but I guess, with 2 years left, that aint' happening.

cad1cts · 08-13-2009, 04:59 PM

No but neither has anyone else. That wasn't the point of what I was trying to say. It came across wrong and I apologize for the confusion. I was being sarcastic because that's how the usual people will perceive it (without driving it of course). Some of the more snooty people. I also said in that post how much I liked the MKS and while I haven't driven it, I don't think it's that mushy to drive from what I've read about it. The LaCrosse CXS is no mushmobile....it drives very smoothly and very controlled for being FWD. The SRX Turbo is the same thing but better. They can do FWD and have it handle pretty good....not like RWD but that's obvious. I don't think the XTS will be a sloppy DTS.

emh · 08-13-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wescoent

All I know, this will basically be a copy of the MKS, and the MKS does sell very well.

Just saw an MKS commercial yesterday advertising 0% with $1500 cash back. Can't be doing all that well (or maybe it's doing well with those sorts of incentives).

jry · 08-13-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 377Z

I agree. The luxury market is image driven, thats the measure of success. That, as well as how to achieve that image, is what has and continues to elude GM.

Friends, What good is it if there are no sales?
The image has to be great and compel the customer to buy. The object is to peak their desire to "wear" that image.
Be Immersed in it. To the point of getting them to part with their money.

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cad1cts 3.0 Liter SIDI V6 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: birmingham, al Posts: 570	Re: Cadillac XTS to use modified Buick LaCrosse underpinnings Looks like the FWD mushmobiles are getting kicked into high gear! (sarcasm oozing) I'm already on record as saying that I like the MKS alot...which I do especially with ecoboost. Good stuff. I think autoblog or someone like that said that the new XTS interior reminded them of Vertu in terms of look, feel, use, ect. That's a good thing for Cadillac. Those phones are the creme de la creme of cell phones. I'm cautiously looking forward to it.

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cad1cts 3.0 Liter SIDI V6 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: birmingham, al Posts: 570	Re: Cadillac XTS to use modified Buick LaCrosse underpinnings No but neither has anyone else. That wasn't the point of what I was trying to say. It came across wrong and I apologize for the confusion. I was being sarcastic because that's how the usual people will perceive it (without driving it of course). Some of the more snooty people. I also said in that post how much I liked the MKS and while I haven't driven it, I don't think it's that mushy to drive from what I've read about it. The LaCrosse CXS is no mushmobile....it drives very smoothly and very controlled for being FWD. The SRX Turbo is the same thing but better. They can do FWD and have it handle pretty good....not like RWD but that's obvious. I don't think the XTS will be a sloppy DTS.

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