Cadillac SRX as good as Q5?

[megeebee]

Originally Posted by Taglane

whew. just got finished screen-capping. I gather no one wants to see the Volvo XC-whatever it was, because it lost lol. Just click on each thumbnail.

Thank you very much!

A very good review, in general. I have to agree with the remark about the rear styling, though.

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[b4z]

the probelm with these brand new GM car reviews is that are always gushing, but when the y put the "all new best GM vehicle ever" up against the competition the shortcomings are apparent.
I hope the new SRX does well but it is front wheel drive based and while i have enjoyed the actual driving part of my 2 SRXs immensely, GM has probs with execution and using too many cheap bits in the vehicle that just don't hold up.

[mgescuro]

I don't see what is so special about this SRX.
It's FWD. It's not RWD architecture. If BMW suddenly went FWD w/ AWD option and then started to market it as "it's just as good as RWD," there would be a friggin riot.

Hold Cadillac to a higher standard people!!! Step out of your mediocre box and quit being so accepting of product that is so OBVIOUSLY MEDIOCRE!!

This is *not* a good vehicle for Cadillac to have in its line up. It is there because they could do nothing else. It's a gap filler. SRX is unworthy of wearing the Cadillac badge!!

Did you people actually READ the article?? It focused on power, power, and more power. There was a side note about having a more flashy interior.

You think SRX will succeed just because it's got better horsepower?
What about SRX's lack of full leather seats?
Louder than average engine?
What is supposed to be in a luxury car? Refinement, luxury, technology. SRX has 1 of 3.

SRX is yet another example of Cadillac putting out vehicles that are simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

No. I don't drink the GM Kool Aid. That Kool Aid leads to bankruptcy.

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Unfortunately, mgescuro, your opinion of the car isn't what the rest of America thinks...and unfortunately, the rest of America determines whether or not this car fails.

Don't worry. The car will fail.
SRX will not see another generation because Cadillac management will deem the brand as "damaged."

And just wait until the sister Buick comes out.
The way Buick is going, it will have more luxury and more technology than the SRX. And GM will make the differentiating factor the HP available. And that is also another completley bonkers strategy.

The New GM needs to realize that people are starting to realize that horsepower isn't the be all and end all of a car. It's the feature, the drivability, the brand, the look, and the details. HP is a nice to have.

[ChevroletGuy]

Are you serious? A car not on the market is a fail? By your logic, the Audi R8 V10 is a fail because it doesn't match the power of it's rivals.

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by b4z

the probelm with these brand new GM car reviews is that are always gushing, but when the y put the "all new best GM vehicle ever" up against the competition the shortcomings are apparent.

BINGO!!!!

[ChevroletGuy]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

I don't see what is so special about this SRX.
It's FWD. It's not RWD architecture. If BMW suddenly went FWD w/ AWD option and then started to market it as "it's just as good as RWD," there would be a friggin riot.

Hold Cadillac to a higher standard people!!! Step out of your mediocre box and quit being so accepting of product that is so OBVIOUSLY MEDIOCRE!!

This is *not* a good vehicle for Cadillac to have in its line up. It is there because they could do nothing else. It's a gap filler. SRX is unworthy of wearing the Cadillac badge!!

Did you people actually READ the article?? It focused on power, power, and more power. There was a side note about having a more flashy interior.

You think SRX will succeed just because it's got better horsepower?
What about SRX's lack of full leather seats?
Louder than average engine?
What is supposed to be in a luxury car? Refinement, luxury, technology. SRX has 1 of 3.

SRX is yet another example of Cadillac putting out vehicles that are simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

No. I don't drink the GM Kool Aid. That Kool Aid leads to bankruptcy.

Hey genius, Audi using FWD/AWD platforms. If can't support GM on a GM forum, maybe you should leave and give your powers to someone else.

[ChevroletRevived]

The Q5 is tough to beat; it's an excellent product. Safe, lithe for a crossover and very well engineered. The SRX is a good vehicle, but I honestly see it more in the vein of the Lexus RX than the Q5. It's not as dynamic as the Q5 somehow. Just my opinion though.

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by ChevroletGuy

Hey genius, Audi using FWD/AWD platforms.

And do you realize the problems Audi has gaining support in the US because of their generic and bland cars?

And realize that it has taken them nearly 20 years to even begin shaking the stigma of the problems they had in the 1980's?

And do you realize that when Cadillac starts its marketing push about performance and agility, and then put out a FWD car, that just doesn't work?

And do you realize that Cadillac as a company has a completely bifurcated product line? No focus. No idea what it wants to be.

Cadillac can be better than Audi. Being Audi won't get Cadillac anywhere.

[b4z]

Caddy does need to do something about their louder than average engines. i was shocked at how loud the last DTS rental car was on hard acceleration. Tons of induction roar.

[ChevroletGuy]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

And do you realize the problems Audi has gaining support in the US because of their generic and bland cars?

And realize that it has taken them nearly 20 years to even begin shaking the stigma of the problems they had in the 1980's?

And do you realize that when Cadillac starts its marketing push about performance and agility, and then put out a FWD car, that just doesn't work?

And do you realize that Cadillac as a company has a completely bifurcated product line? No focus. No idea what it wants to be.

Cadillac can be better than Audi. Being Audi won't get Cadillac anywhere.

RWD doesn't make performance. Look at the Cobalt SS turbo, Saab Turbo X, Mazdaspeed 3, etc. They all have FWD or AWD. And Cadillac going FWD/AWD isn't a big deal. They need to refocus themselves through tough finacial times.

[nadepalma]

I thought it was a decent review between the three. I'm surprised that they liked how the Caddy handled "nimble" compared to the other two.

Good for Caddy. Now, I hope that this translates into extra sales!

[jmlee0695]

OK. RWD vs FWD is MOOT with today's engineering. The engineers made it just as good as RWD. IT handles great. It rides great. Jalopnik and others have said that its hard to tell its not RWD. Will you get off of the Mercedes Kool-Aid?

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by ChevroletGuy

RWD doesn't make performance. Look at the Cobalt SS turbo, Saab Turbo X, Mazdaspeed 3, etc. They all have FWD or AWD. And Cadillac going FWD/AWD isn't a big deal. They need to refocus themselves through tough finacial times.

And the Cobalt SS competes with what... a Golf R32? Civic Si? Would you put the SS up against an XFR? No.
Would you put a Turbo X up against an M5? No.

Compare classes.

If Buick is going to be an "American luxury brand," then by all means, be an "American luxury brand." IMHO, their cars are already well down that path.

If Cadillac is going to be a luxury sport performance brand, then PLEASE... no FWD!! And if cash is a problem, and platforms MUST be used, at the VERY LEAST... don't offer a FWD model in the lineup!!

Going FWD is a big deal. This is no way to be a performance luxury brand. And certainly no way to challenge BMW.

It's bad enough that SRX is going FWD. Escalade is next on Lambda. DTS is practically on Epsilon II already. BLS is up in the air. There is no more V. STS and XLR are dead. CTS is left. You think that's enough to garner an effective ROI on a very expensive RWD platform? Nope. CTS's time on RWD is limited at best.
If Cadillac decides to go lower on the totem pole and gun for Audi, fine. But I don't want to hear ANY bitching when the CTS goes to Epsilon II or III or whatever FWD/AWD platform is in the future at the new GM. Because it will happen in due time.

And then what. Are you all going to argue about horsepower?? I can't wait to see that FWD/AWD CTS-V wannabe at 553HP.

[jmlee0695]

I'm very confused. You jack off over Audi on a daily basis. Now, that you can't defend them, because people would recognize you for the hypocrite you are, you bash Audi. Pick a side, and stick with it. You like Audi. You don't like Audi. You can't be on both sides.

[PistonsFan]

The SRX is very nice. Sooo much better than the previous generation. I've been seeing them on the road around here lately. They look very sharp from behind. The attention to detail on things like the taillights and sheetmetal is definitely there. And of course, the interior is class-leading.

The SRX design is a winner. We should see the official first drive reviews soon. They did the 2010 Equinox about a week ago and it was very well received.

mgescuro is just plain obnoxious at times. If wasn't for the fact he was a mod, I would say he should be banned because he has a tendency to pollute any thread on the topic of Cadillac or luxury cars. It's ironic that most people appreciated the posts by cmiscasthegreat(sp), yet he was banned by certain mod. Yet, the mod who has blind faith for Jaguar and bashes everything else for not being a Jag is still here... and the most frequent poster.