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    Cadillacís Diesel Program Is Moving Forward, Unaffected by Opel Sale

    Cadillac’s Diesel Program Is Moving Forward, Unaffected by Opel Sale
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    May 10, 2017



    Cadillac’s diesel program, which we’ve been reporting on for the last couple of years, remains firmly on track, Car and Driver has recently learned. The luxury and performance brand has been working on four- and six-cylinder diesel engines for several upcoming models, but the sale of General Motors’ European subsidiary Opel to the French PSA conglomerate, itself a maker of diesel engines, had cast doubt on Cadillac’s future plans. That’s because the new engines were supposed to be shared with future Opel models, and developing diesel engines solely for Cadillac would be far too costly.
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    Re: Cadillacís Diesel Program Is Moving Forward, Unaffected by Opel Sale

    And this while putting the V8 on the back burner?

    Where exactly do they plan to sell these diesels? The US doesn't care. I doubt diesels are big in pollution-heavy China. It's clear GM is not serious about Europe in the near term.
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    Re: Cadillacís Diesel Program Is Moving Forward, Unaffected by Opel Sale

    Quote Originally Posted by emh View Post
    And this while putting the V8 on the back burner?

    Where exactly do they plan to sell these diesels? The US doesn't care. I doubt diesels are big in pollution-heavy China. It's clear GM is not serious about Europe in the near term.
    I would LOOK to MB/BMW oilers for a guide as to the Diesel market (do NOT know the numbers)
    I wonder if the Silverado would be a recipient of the DIESEL V6

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    Re: Cadillacís Diesel Program Is Moving Forward, Unaffected by Opel Sale

    Quote Originally Posted by richmond2000 View Post
    I would LOOK to MB/BMW oilers for a guide as to the Diesel market (do NOT know the numbers)
    I wonder if the Silverado would be a recipient of the DIESEL V6
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    Re: Cadillacís Diesel Program Is Moving Forward, Unaffected by Opel Sale

    So concentrate on other markets (diesel) before your home market (4.2 TT V8)??? Okay... *rolls eyes*
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    Re: Cadillacís Diesel Program Is Moving Forward, Unaffected by Opel Sale

    Quote Originally Posted by emh View Post
    And this while putting the V8 on the back burner?

    Where exactly do they plan to sell these diesels? The US doesn't care. I doubt diesels are big in pollution-heavy China. It's clear GM is not serious about Europe in the near term.
    We can speculate about China, but we do not have to speculate about the prospects of diesel cars elsewhere. Their prospects are not good. The mayors of Paris, Madrid, Athens, and Mexico City want diesel gone by 2025. Elżbieta Bieńkowska, the EU's Commissioner for Internal Markets, says that diesels will disappear sooner than expected.

    It is not just a few of the World's major cities and it is not just diesel. Norway wants to ban petroleum-powered cars--whether they run on gasoline or diesel--by 2025. Germany wants them gone by 2030. Belgium, Switzerland, and the Netherlands are considering similar bans.

    Luxury cars are strongly image dependent. The image of diesel is bad, was made worse by the Volkswagen fiasco, and will only go downhill as Europe's luxury car makers abandon petroleum and switch to electricity. Cadillac may offer diesel in a few limited markets. However, diesel appeals to precisely a target audience that is diametrically opposed to the audience that Cadillac wants to attract.

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    Re: Cadillacís Diesel Program Is Moving Forward, Unaffected by Opel Sale

    Quote Originally Posted by emh View Post
    And this while putting the V8 on the back burner?

    Where exactly do they plan to sell these diesels? The US doesn't care. I doubt diesels are big in pollution-heavy China. It's clear GM is not serious about Europe in the near term.
    The V8 is coming, how about why are you pursuing diesels for sales on a continent where ICE as a whole is losing favor by day at the expense of forgoing a flagship sedan?

    How many places in Europe are talking about banning ICE at some point over the next 10-15 years? By that point, how much better and more WIDELY APPLICABLE will electrics be?

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    So concentrate on other markets (diesel) before your home market (4.2 TT V8)??? Okay... *rolls eyes*
    In all fairness, who said diesels were coming first?

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    We can speculate about China, but we do not have to speculate about the prospects of diesel cars elsewhere. Their prospects are not good. The mayors of Paris, Madrid, Athens, and Mexico City want diesel gone by 2025. Elżbieta Bieńkowska, the EU's Commissioner for Internal Markets, says that diesels will disappear sooner than expected.

    It is not just a few of the World's major cities and it is not just diesel. Norway wants to ban petroleum-powered cars--whether they run on gasoline or diesel--by 2025. Germany wants them gone by 2030. Belgium, Switzerland, and the Netherlands are considering similar bans.

    Luxury cars are strongly image dependent. The image of diesel is bad, was made worse by the Volkswagen fiasco, and will only go downhill as Europe's luxury car makers abandon petroleum and switch to electricity. Cadillac may offer diesel in a few limited markets. However, diesel appeals to precisely a target audience that is diametrically opposed to the audience that Cadillac wants to attract.
    Exactly this.

    Why bother with diesels at this point? You'll get more credit and put yourself in a better position by pursuing electrification with extreme prejudice.

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    Re: Cadillacís Diesel Program Is Moving Forward, Unaffected by Opel Sale

    I suppose Gm has sunk too much money into the diesel program to not have it bear fruit. Unfortunately, the diesel debacle caused by VW (I dislike anything with "gate" attached to the end of it) has reduced the demand for those engines.

    I just hope electrification is going to be the primary technological driver for motivation. We are reaching a point where range has been increased to levels deemed acceptable by everyday drivers, as well as refuel/recharge times. This is what is chic now and that is what Cadillac wants to be.

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    Re: Cadillacís Diesel Program Is Moving Forward, Unaffected by Opel Sale

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMe View Post
    We can speculate about China, but we do not have to speculate about the prospects of diesel cars elsewhere. Their prospects are not good. The mayors of Paris, Madrid, Athens, and Mexico City want diesel gone by 2025. Elżbieta Bieńkowska, the EU's Commissioner for Internal Markets, says that diesels will disappear sooner than expected.

    It is not just a few of the World's major cities and it is not just diesel. Norway wants to ban petroleum-powered cars--whether they run on gasoline or diesel--by 2025. Germany wants them gone by 2030. Belgium, Switzerland, and the Netherlands are considering similar bans.

    Luxury cars are strongly image dependent. The image of diesel is bad, was made worse by the Volkswagen fiasco, and will only go downhill as Europe's luxury car makers abandon petroleum and switch to electricity. Cadillac may offer diesel in a few limited markets. However, diesel appeals to precisely a target audience that is diametrically opposed to the audience that Cadillac wants to attract.
    Exactly. Of all the things Cadillac could be doing, new diesels should be near the very bottom of the list.
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    Re: Cadillacís Diesel Program Is Moving Forward, Unaffected by Opel Sale

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    Re: Cadillacís Diesel Program Is Moving Forward, Unaffected by Opel Sale

    The CT6 Hybrid should be your only focus. GM have some of the best tech on the market and should be leveraging that into all of their products. This will, as a result, lower the price of the volttec which will allow it to go into even more cars.

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    Re: Cadillacís Diesel Program Is Moving Forward, Unaffected by Opel Sale

    Quote Originally Posted by EJD1984 View Post
    Cadillac’s Diesel Program Is Moving Forward, Unaffected by Opel Sale
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    May 10, 2017



    *Full Article at Link
    Stupid move,,I doubt anyone rich enough to buy a Caddy would be concerned about saving few gallons of fuel going with diesel engine..
    I see Cadillac going the way of Oldsmobile if they dont get their s***t together soon..
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    Re: Cadillacís Diesel Program Is Moving Forward, Unaffected by Opel Sale

    Of all the things Cadillac is in need of and should be doing this ought to be sort of low on the list right now.

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    Re: Cadillacís Diesel Program Is Moving Forward, Unaffected by Opel Sale

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMe View Post
    We can speculate about China, but we do not have to speculate about the prospects of diesel cars elsewhere. Their prospects are not good. The mayors of Paris, Madrid, Athens, and Mexico City want diesel gone by 2025. Elżbieta Bieńkowska, the EU's Commissioner for Internal Markets, says that diesels will disappear sooner than expected.

    It is not just a few of the World's major cities and it is not just diesel. Norway wants to ban petroleum-powered cars--whether they run on gasoline or diesel--by 2025. Germany wants them gone by 2030. Belgium, Switzerland, and the Netherlands are considering similar bans.

    Luxury cars are strongly image dependent. The image of diesel is bad, was made worse by the Volkswagen fiasco, and will only go downhill as Europe's luxury car makers abandon petroleum and switch to electricity. Cadillac may offer diesel in a few limited markets. However, diesel appeals to precisely a target audience that is diametrically opposed to the audience that Cadillac wants to attract.
    with CADDY NOT in those markets and has had NO talk of Europe seriously I doubt the "DIESEL push" is after Europe but do NOT know where BMW/MB sell diesels in NUMBERS OUTSIDE of Europe

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    Re: Cadillacís Diesel Program Is Moving Forward, Unaffected by Opel Sale

    They are called, eco diesels

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