Cadillac replacing DTS and STS with one vehicle, entry-level model coming

[wescoent]

Originally Posted by megeebee

Or Mercedes, or BMW, or Lincoln, or [ fill in blank]

I agree. BMW, Mercedes, and Audi mechanical reliability has been utterly inexcusable for luxury cars.

Lincolns have historically (with the exception of the Town Car) been utter piles of garbage as well. The Continental, Mark VII and VIII, Lincoln LS, and Navigator were all awful.

Since the Zephyr, one of Lincoln's primary goals has been bringing reliability and quality up. The MKZ and MKX (so I'm told) are more reliable than the ES and RX of a similar vintage, which is commendable considering their history.

[Dr. Show-Me]

Having seen how unreliable my son's x5 BMW is, I wouldn't have one.
Our car manufacturers can reclaim the market with high quality products, fully covered with a bumper to bumper 100,000 mile warranty. If Cadillac believes in its product, give it a warranty that says its the best and we back it the best.
I buy Sears tools because they are good products that have a lifetime warranty. If it breaks, which seldom happens, bring it back and they will give you a new one, no questions asked.
The formula is simple: high quality products, great warranty, dealer service where you are well treated. If Cadillac and GM can't or won't do this, they deserve to fail.

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by Dr. Show-Me

Having seen how unreliable my son's x5 BMW is, I wouldn't have one.

And I have 4 friends who haven't had a problem yet. And 2 of them commute 75 miles a day.

Originally Posted by Dr. Show-Me

The formula is simple: high quality products, great warranty, dealer service where you are well treated. If Cadillac and GM can't or won't do this, they deserve to fail.

It is simple.
GM still has been very inconsistent here. In my opinion, if tehre is one Cadillac dealership that is considered unacceptable, or looks like it was built int he 1960's and should be selling used cars not $100,000 roadsters, then Cadillac deserves to fail.
BTW... there are 2 Cadillac dealerships in my area that fit that description... with staff that are so reprehensible, I wouldn't set foot on the dealership lot if you paid me.

[nferr]

Our X3 hasn't been all that reliable, but then our Escalade and the CTS haven't been stellar either. Our most relaible vehicle has been the 06 Malibu. Of course the more gadgets and higher performance a car is the more things there are to break.

I will say this. Our X3 is in for warranty work right now and they gave us a loaded 08 328Xi coupe to use. Caddy gives us nothing when the cars are in for warranty work.

That 328Xi coupe sure is fun to drive. It's tiny but way more sporty than my 07 CTS with the sport package. Very, very, different cars. The 3 series and the CTS really don't compete at all except on price IMO.

[megeebee]

Originally Posted by wescoent

Lincolns have historically (with the exception of the Town Car) been utter piles of garbage as well. The Continental, Mark VII and VIII, Lincoln LS, and Navigator were all awful.

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Wow. I'm saving this.

I like your new Avatar. Great photo.

[megeebee]

Originally Posted by nferr

Our X3 hasn't been all that reliable, but then our Escalade and the CTS haven't been stellar either. Our most relaible vehicle has been the 06 Malibu. Of course the more gadgets and higher performance a car is the more things there are to break.

I will say this. Our X3 is in for warranty work right now and they gave us a loaded 08 328Xi coupe to use. Caddy gives us nothing when the cars are in for warranty work.

That 328Xi coupe sure is fun to drive. It's tiny but way more sporty than my 07 CTS with the sport package. Very, very, different cars. The 3 series and the CTS really don't compete at all except on price IMO.

Are your Cadillacs still under factory warranty? Mine is and I get a car anytime it needs a repair.

[wescoent]

Originally Posted by megeebee

Wow. I'm saving this.

I like your new Avatar. Great photo.

The corporate logo was getting old... figured it was time for something more sightly.

Trash from a RELIABILITY standpoint... just to clarify. Sadly enough, in 1998, the Lincoln Continental was still being compared to the MB E320... shows you how far they've fallen.

[jry]

Originally Posted by wescoent

The corporate logo was getting old... figured it was time for something more sightly.

Trash from a RELIABILITY standpoint... just to clarify. Sadly enough, in 1998, the Lincoln Continental was still being compared to the MB E320... shows you how far they've fallen.

Funny, i had a 98 Continental. Red with a grey leather interior. Great car. My daughter drove the wheels off of it. That was the year that the name on the rear tail lights was backwards. The left one said Continental and the right one said Lincoln.
In 99, the reversed the names and it made more sense.
On the Caddy thing, i always got a Caddy loaner when mine was in the shop. I thought that was Cadillac's policy.

[nferr]

Originally Posted by megeebee

Are your Cadillacs still under factory warranty? Mine is and I get a car anytime it needs a repair.

The lease ended on the Escalade a couple of months ago. My 07 CTS of course is still under warranty. I think once the Escalade was in for a couple of days and they offered us a free "rental" from Enterprise (if I remember right), but we had an extra car so I didn't bother. BMW gives us a loaner even if you bring it in for an oil change. When I had a leased Jaguar X-Type they actually used to drop a car in my driveway in the morning and take the Jaguar. At night they brought back the Jag and took the loaner.

Both BMW and Jaguar also gave me free maintenance.

[Docray1]

Well, I guess Mr Lutz is now confirming what we already have known: the Zeta II DT7 is dead and there are no plans for a DTS/STS replacement on the near-term horizon.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac...o-pasture.html

[asrapid]

Originally Posted by Docray1

Well, I guess Mr Lutz is now confirming what we already have known: the Zeta II DT7 is dead and there are no plans for a DTS/STS replacement on the near-term horizon.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac...o-pasture.html

So biggest Cadillac sedan in near future will be CTS.
I'm just waiting to hear that GM is pulling plug on Gen V small-block, alpha cadillac, and V series cadillac. Or even better. To built n.g CTS on epsilon 2.

[cad1cts]

What is the deal with the alpha Cadillac? How do they justify it if they're only gonna build the one model on the platform?

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by cad1cts

What is the deal with the alpha Cadillac? How do they justify it if they're only gonna build the one model on the platform?

Apparently, from what we've heard is that Cadillac has full control of Alpha now. It will be a premium-ized platform.

Although we haven't heard for sure, I'd image that there would be a complete family of "BLS" cars -- sedan, coupe, wagon, perhaps even a convertible.

This car can be a true volume car for Cadillac.

The only danger is that Cadillac cuts corners and doesn't give this car enough of what it needs to truly be a Cadillac. WE can only hope though. I would assume that the "BLS" will be as sophisticated as the CTS is today. That's the only way. And I'm still hoping CTS will gain everything STS has and more.

[megeebee]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

And I'm still hoping CTS will gain everything STS has and more.

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I'm curious. What does the STS have that the CTS needs? I was under the impression you weren't at all a fan of the STS.

[Exploder]

Originally Posted by megeebee

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I'm curious. What does the STS have that the CTS needs? I was under the impression you weren't at all a fan of the STS.

The STS has nice features like Magnetic Ride Control, Adaptive Cruise Control, heated steering wheel, lane change warning system, HUD, etc which are not present on the CTS. When the STS either dies, is upgraded or is replaced, the CTS should inherit all of those things to be a genuine 5-series/E-class competitor.