Cadillac CTS & Holden Commodore: What's The Difference?

[Frankster177]

Originally Posted by CobaltSScrazy

a chevrolet luxury car...or better yet a Pontiac luxury car....

sure, why not an LTZ or a GXP

**shudders**

Holden, know your role...and...

Leave 'true' luxury to Cadillac, if you want a luxurious holden, thats fine, but 'true' luxury is for the Flagship!

CobaltSS

How can you have a flagship that made front wheel drive monstrosities for 30 plus years?
Seville was a true flagship machine wasnt it?
lol
Slapping a cadi badge on anything doesnt automatically make it the standard of the world.

Holden and Opels were better engineered than Cadillacs.

Good to see Cadillac on the right track finally.

[FISH]

Originally Posted by MonaroSS

MonaroSS, Could you round off that lower intake so it doen't look like it's holding its breath?

[Robert Ryan]

Who wants a Holden which looks like a ricer civic compared to the above CTS-V?

Most people here. The Interior looks terrible in that shot of the CTS-V. Very bad dash design.

[Robert Ryan]

Slapping a cadi badge on anything doesnt automatically make it the standard of the world.

No but the standard of the car they are sticking it on leaves a lot to be desired. Cadillac is far from its Golden Era in the 1930's.

[zetaman]

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

Most people here. The Interior looks terrible in that shot of the CTS-V. Very bad dash design.

Wait.. I think there may be a spot on that dash without a button.......

.......no, false alarm

[paul8488]

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

No but the standard of the car they are sticking it on leaves a lot to be desired. Cadillac is far from its Golden Era in the 1930's.

That's not true. Looks aside, the new CTS can hold its own with Mercedes and BMW. If it fails in Australia it's not because it's not a good car... it's because it's not a good car for Australia.

As for the dash, it is a tidier design than many cars out there... luxury or not. It's a very flowing design, and all the infotainment buttuns are grouped together, just like the HVAC buttons. I can grasp people not liking it... people like what they like... but I don't see at all what makes it a 'bad' design.

[zetaman]

Originally Posted by paul8488

As for the dash, it is a tidier design than many cars out there... luxury or not. It's a very flowing design, and all the infotainment buttuns are grouped together, just like the HVAC buttons. I can grasp people not liking it... people like what they like... but I don't see at all what makes it a 'bad' design.

Agreed, while I don't think it's necessarily a bad design it sure looks busy - even more so when you introduce 2-tone and woodgrain

[MonaroSS]

Here is what the
Australian Cadillac CTS
should be....

It should be loaded with all the fruit expected of BMW / Benz and priced at A$95,000.

It should be fitted with a special version of Holden's TT intercooler 2.8 HFV6 that it builds for Saab, but fitted with Titanium valves and conrods etc that GM has developed tech for in the LS7. This will lower second and third order vibrations and make the engine much sweeter and a very free revving unit that will be very different from the Holden 3.6 engine. And an engine more comparable to a BMW I6.

It should be styled as below to suit Aussie tastes and made available with a wide range of colorful exterior and interior leather choices.

[RedVee8]

Originally Posted by MonaroSS

Here is what the

Australian Cadillac CTS
should be....

It should be loaded with all the fruit expected of BMW / Benz and priced at A$95,000.

It should be fitted with a special version of Holden's TT intercooler 2.8 HFV6 that it builds for Saab, but fitted with Titanium valves and conrods etc that GM has developed tech for in the LS7. This will lower second and third order vibrations and make the engine much sweeter and a very free revving unit that will be very different from the Holden 3.6 engine. And an engine more comparable to a BMW I6.

It should be styled as below to suit Aussie tastes and made available with a wide range of colorful exterior and interior leather choices.

Yes thats better - differentiated powertrain and increased price. Makes sense to me!
The looks are good, but I'm quite happy with the original in that regard as well.

[cedarman24]

Lets just line up the top of the range ( by power) of both models and race em' on both at Bathurst and at Luguna. At the end of the day it is about personal choice. I think all the people who would have bought a CTS have already bought a 300c. Not for me sorry, i'll have commodore any day

[Exploder]

Concerning how people keep saying the styling of the CTS will turn off Australians:

Last time I checked, Americans and Australians are both humans. How do you know every single Australian has the same tastes as MonaroSS? How do you know every single American has the same tastes of...well, most Americans here?

[Buick61]

Originally Posted by CobaltSScrazy

Trust me, go drive a Cobalt Turbo SS then talk ****. Just like when people "nag" about the S/C version, the turbo's even better. I've utilized the engine via GXP Solstice and its phenominal, and with No Lift Shift and a Track/Sport driving settings among an FE5 suspension it will be a dominant force in the Sport Compact setting for years to come. Its cheap, its fast, its economical, and -jmo- has great style. But please do get back to , ummm, as you put it, 'over-exaggerating' the entire Holden brand that is TOTALLY OWNED by GM based in Detroit.

CobaltSS

Originally Posted by Ssom

You utilised the engine in an RWD Sportscar? Well let me tell you something, when the engine ends up in an FWD compact bad things happen. Torque Steer, Understeer and wrecked CV's for a start and given Americas poor track record when it comes to making cars go around corners, I'm going to pass on that, the Cavalier Z24 (Which I will put forth my nomination as the worst car of the 1990's) scarred me for life.

Originally Posted by CobaltSScrazy

LMAO, I've driven a Cobalt SS S/C...you should 'debunk' inaccurate and ignorant myths you've heard...yes I said 'myths' as its not nearly as bad as you make it out to be.


Enough ignorant Aussies posting about the Cobalt SS S/C (or Turbo) we DIGRESS, this is about CTS being a clearly superior AND different car to the comparable Holden Commodore, given the choice and only a V6 option, unless you enjoy the style of a Toyota or NEED the larger room from the Larger Holden, you'd be a *FOOL* not to seriously consider and purchase a CTS. That is the bottom line. I get enough crap from SS396 Chevelle guys about the SS Cobalt, I don't need more crap from Aussies who have never even SEEN much less DRIVEN a Cobalt much less an SS FI version...

No further cobalt discussions will occur in this thread, I will ignore your post if you go off topic about it. If you want to start a thread on why Holden has no high volume competitive alternative to the Corolla down under, and/or Cobalt relavence, then start a new thread and PM me the link, I'll *destroy you in it No hard feelings, no ill intent

CobaltSS

Oh dear.

Ssom is right.

You haven't even driven the Cobalt SS Turbo, but now your being cocky about it on an international level??

Again, Ssom is right. That engine in a FWD car has the potential to be a handful.

Having driven the Cobalt SS s/c doesn't really make you an authority on how the t/c version will comport itself. There's a 55 hp (rated) difference between the two motors! That's huge!!

And having "utilized" the turbo engine in a Kappa car really makes no difference. It's a completely, wholly different animal altogether.

You kinda got rudely arrogant on this one, which isn't very diplomatic.

[goodcase]

Originally Posted by MonaroSS

Interesting turn of phrase you use, which is of course derived from "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday".

Of course that's what Holden has done often and still does, win car races.

Has Cadillac ever actually won a car race?

yes, i've raced a riced out honda civic in my dads truck and beat him. I raced a crotch rocket too but he was just a little to fast.

[MonaroSS]

Originally Posted by Exploder

Concerning how people keep saying the styling of the CTS will turn off Australians:

Last time I checked, Americans and Australians are both humans. How do you know every single Australian has the same tastes as MonaroSS? How do you know every single American has the same tastes of...well, most Americans here?

It's not about everyone having the same taste, which clearly they do not. But every society (and that includes Southern Californian, North-Eastern, Midwestern, South of the Dixie Line etc) has divergent 'collective' tastes. I am sure marketing experts in the US distinguish between say the aforementioned markets on various products and services and how they place, price and market them.

People here are always saying how those in the US living in snow country prefer AWD or FWD to RWD because of the snow. Sales figures probably prove that out, but I'll take the word of those people who live there. Many on this site disagree all the time about 'whether' people in those areas should or should not have FWD or RWD, but they don't disagree that the people in those areas, rightly or wrongly, actually do buy more FWD/AWD than RWD.

Australia is no different. You can see the historical car buying trends here, either by studying the figures or by just living here all your life and observing cars as we Aussies on here have done. And rightly or wrongly on the part of the car buying demographic, who buy cars in the $50K to $100K price range, we Aussies know what they are looking for in their cars.

We probably know it better by living here than some Cadillac marketing number-cruncher going through sales figures sitting in his office in Detroit. Why? Because we go to BBQ's and meet and talk with the guys and women who actually buy those cars and being car guys we have asked them how their car is going and why they bought it and are they happy with it, and what do they like about it etc. We also know from our mates and friends if the person is a wanker, an upstart, a genuine guy whose done well etc, so we can put his or her statements about what they wanted into social context.

That gives us a fair idea of what they will think of the Cadillac at the various price points being discussed and with the various engine options etc that it would be offered with. And that’s why we know they won’t want an engine that people can say to them. “hah; I’ got the same thing in ma’ Holden mate.”

And I think the smaller grille of the CTS-V is much nicer than the standard cars big ole honker. And GM must too, because they charge more money for it.

[70eldo]

Stop this stupid discussion alright... you can't argument taste.
The CTS-V is not coming to Australia. Period. Too bad for some. Luckily for others.

sigh...