Baby Caddy could be called ATS

[K Dawg ONE]

Originally Posted by bigplayrayr

How about Cimmarron?

Um, no.

[AMcA]

I already want it.

A V, please.

And while we're debating names: Cadillac has a great series of historic number designations it could use. Series 60, Series 50, Series 40. Who could forget the fabulous Series 60 Specials?

And maybe some up-level Fleetwoods? Yeah . . . .

[Timekeeper]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

ATS=Alpha Touring Sedan. Makes sense to me. Think about it:
CTS=Catera Touring Sedan.
STS=Seville Touring Sedan.
DTS=DeVille Touring Sedan.
Never figured out what BLS stood for...

Bad Lump of Steel

[NoNameDenton]

The S is supposed to stand for sedans, the X for crossovers, the C for coupes, and the Escalade keeps its name, so the naming system makes sense in a weird and twisted way

[skylark68]

Maybe they should use some old Studebaker names like "Dictator." That would be pretty sweet.

[Timekeeper]

Originally Posted by NoNameDenton

The S is supposed to stand for sedans, the X for crossovers, the C for coupes, and the Escalade keeps its name, so the naming system makes sense in a weird and twisted way

So, using this the CTS is a Coupe Touring Sedan?????

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by NoNameDenton

The S is supposed to stand for sedans, the X for crossovers, the C for coupes, and the Escalade keeps its name, so the naming system makes sense in a weird and twisted way

SRX=Sedan R-something Crossover??

[NoNameDenton]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

SRX=Sedan R-something Crossover??

The letter at the end designates what the type it is, so the X means crossover, of should I draw a diagram, I thought it was self evident but apparently not

[mcool]

Originally Posted by nadepalma

The idea of using EpsilonII for a BLS replacement in Europe and around the world is old news - or so we were told. The original plan was to introduce such a product but make it arrive on the market with AWD standard to differentiate it from others in the segment and lend more credibility to the next BLS being a "driver's" car.

But well over a year ago, we heard more concrete plan was to use the Alpha platform for this project. Has this been abandoned?

Using the Alpha platform directly for a 1-Series sized vehicle does't seem to jive with info we've read prior either. Alpha was always supposed to be a 3-Series/mid-sized platform. However, the next Kappa platform was supposed to use elements from Alpha in production form -- very much akin to how the 1-Series' platform uses some 3-Series' componentry.

Could this be what they mean? I don't understand why they put Alpha in play and develop it if they dont' intend to put it under the BLS replacement but only under 1-Series rival.

Would GM actually introduce a RWD ATS product (highly doubtful it will be sold in the US) and have a FWD based platform underpin it's 3-Series rival? Doesn't seem to make sense with Caddy's new credo.

I think this may be a bit twisted in the facts.

This article is all over the place... Epsilon-based Cadillac? Uh, doubtful if GM has any logical minds left. XLR dead? Doubt that too, it may be a low volume GT, but Cadillac needs a halo GT product to take on the SL Mercs of the world. And since the Corvette isn't going anywhere, I doubt the XLR will. Maybe it gets smaller, maybe it gets a smaller powertrain, but the segment will not be abandoned by Cadillac.

If Caddie made an Epsilon car in NA, then every brand except GMC would have an Epsilon in NA... that's not smart. With the Insignia (aura replacement) and Lacrosse replacement coming, why bother with a Cadillac Epsilon.

Cadillac needs the RWD Alpha range to fight the 3-series, not 1-series. The 3 has the big volume presence for BMW, not the 1. The 1 is just a shortened 3 platform anyway... it's no 2002.

The STS needs to be replaced by a real, no-excuses flagship. The SRX needs to be replaced by another great unibody utility. The BRX is a nice idea too, but shouldn't overlap the Saturn and Saab product too much.

[NoNameDenton]

Originally Posted by mcool

This article is all over the place... Epsilon-based Cadillac? Uh, doubtful if GM has any logical minds left. XLR dead? Doubt that too, it may be a low volume GT, but Cadillac needs a halo GT product to take on the SL Mercs of the world. And since the Corvette isn't going anywhere, I doubt the XLR will. Maybe it gets smaller, maybe it gets a smaller powertrain, but the segment will not be abandoned by Cadillac.

If Caddie made an Epsilon car in NA, then every brand except GMC would have an Epsilon in NA... that's not smart. With the Insignia (aura replacement) and Lacrosse replacement coming, why bother with a Cadillac Epsilon.

Cadillac needs the RWD Alpha range to fight the 3-series, not 1-series. The 3 has the big volume presence for BMW, not the 1. The 1 is just a shortened 3 platform anyway... it's no 2002.

The STS needs to be replaced by a real, no-excuses flagship. The SRX needs to be replaced by another great unibody utility. The BRX is a nice idea too, but shouldn't overlap the Saturn and Saab product too much.

The problem with the XLR is the weight, it needs a diet, and a Kappa or Alpha baby brother (not the CTS coupe, but a 2 person sports car)

[GM-Joe]

Yes, the article was a bit twisted, but my bet is the torano and kappa will become one and Cadillac will get rid of the front-wheel platform; Buick and SAAB has that market.

Great news about the SRX, that is a great vehicle and has a place even if the CTS turns into a wagon and coupe.

[vandy0419]

I don't really care what it is called, if he is going to compare it to the size of the 1-series BMW, I sure hope it has an engine that is competitive with the 135i (inline 6, twin turbo)

[63GrandSport001]

I seriously think that Cadillac should leave the sub compact and compact economy car class to Chevy, Saturn, Opel, and Vax.

[NoNameDenton]

Originally Posted by 63GrandSport001

I seriously think that Cadillac should leave the sub compact and compact economy car class to Chevy, Saturn, Opel, and Vax.

Well, I know that Mercedes is working on a fwd A and B class and other luxury makers are doing it as well

[63GrandSport001]

Originally Posted by NoNameDenton

Well, I know that Mercedes is working on a fwd A and B class and other luxury makers are doing it as well

Yes other luxury makers are doing the same thing, making a vehicle to compete with a Honda Civic or a Ford Ka.

however if Mercedes wants to compete with such a vehicle they don't really have any other brands to produce such a vehicle. BMW also really doesn't have any other brands to make such a move with, they have partnerships thats about it.

GM on the other hand has about 4 brands that would be perfect for a good Honda civic type car and I feel as if they money needs to be spent on giving one of those brands such a vehicle. 3 of the brands can share the same vehicle because they are not sold in the same market. The other which GM wants to be its global face is Chevy and they can use a Corsa sized vehicle and a new Cobalt sized vehicle to sell on a global scale. Money would be better spent IMHO to give Chevy better compacts and sub compacts.

Its like Porsche and its SUV, yes its a sales success and yes its making them good money but that doesn't mean that it should be done. you risk alienating your typical buying public and you risk going into such a situation where your board would rather spend all of its money to make its SUV better rather then its sports cars.

I guess you can sum this up as Cadillac needs to lead and not follow...........