AutoNews: Dealers Say Cadillac Must Continue Product Cadence

[KIDDIESEL79]

I really like the SRX and would hate to see it killedbefore seeing a second gen come out. I also like the BRX but don't see it as a good replacement fot the SRX. If anything I wouldn't mind seeing an AWD CTS raised and flared a bit a la Audi allroad.

[roteague]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

tick tick tick tick tick....

About time..... you slacker.

[stevecmh]

i saw the coupe at the Chicago auto show today.. it looks great

[blank disk]

They better do something, as they are a one-hit-wonder at the moment.
MKX > SRX
MKS > DTS
Navi = Escalade

...and to be honest, I might actually want an AWD MKZ updated with a 3.7L engine for thousands less than a premium CTS. I will wait to see the MKZ upgrade before I really mean that though. But sill.

Lincoln will soon pass them at this rate.

[jbernie]

I definately agree with the comments regarding the smaller SUV. GM has way too many large SUVs right now, well SUVs & Crossoveers.

It is hard to influence people to go with GM products in the small SUV segment when you are looking at the Torrent, View & Equinox as the more updated small vehicles. The SRX is still a pretty big vehicle, some smaller SUVs wouldn't go astray.

[tgagneguam]

Originally Posted by blank disk

They better do something, as they are a one-hit-wonder at the moment.
MKX > SRX
MKS > DTS
Navi = Escalade

...and to be honest, I might actually want an AWD MKZ updated with a 3.7L engine for thousands less than a premium CTS. I will wait to see the MKZ upgrade before I really mean that though. But sill.

Lincoln will soon pass them at this rate.

Much of this is specious claims and simple opinions, and I think on some level you can appreciate that, blank disk.

A few more empirical points suggest otherwise:

January 2008
Cadillac: 14,792 (7.7)
Lincoln: 7,985 (-16.8)

2007:
Cadillac: 214,726 (-5.4)
Lincoln: 131,487 (9.1)

I'm not so sure how you conclude from that that Lincoln will surpass Cadillac, which apparently has found more of its identity and mission than Lincoln. It'd be nice for Detroit to deliver a one-two punch in the luxury arena with both Divisions, but I don't see that happening for at least several more years, if ever. And if I had to choose one Division with some hope of stemming the Teuton/Nippon dominance of luxury car sales in the US, based on present product and future plans, I'm definitely placing my hope with Cadillac.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by blank disk

They better do something, as they are a one-hit-wonder at the moment.
MKX > SRX
MKS > DTS
Navi = Escalade

I would say MKX=SRX
MKS>DTS Obviously since the Lincoln is brand new

...and to be honest, I might actually want an AWD MKZ updated with a 3.7L engine for thousands less than a premium CTS. I will wait to see the MKZ upgrade before I really mean that though. But sill.

Lincoln will soon pass them at this rate.

You lost me after that.

[goblue]

Originally Posted by tgagneguam

Much of this is specious claims and simple opinions, and I think on some level you can appreciate that, blank disk.

A few more empirical points suggest otherwise:

January 2008
Cadillac: 14,792 (7.7)
Lincoln: 7,985 (-16.8)

2007:
Cadillac: 214,726 (-5.4)
Lincoln: 131,487 (9.1)

I'm not so sure how you conclude from that that Lincoln will surpass Cadillac, which apparently has found more of its identity and mission than Lincoln. It'd be nice for Detroit to deliver a one-two punch in the luxury arena with both Divisions, but I don't see that happening for at least several more years, if ever. And if I had to choose one Division with some hope of stemming the Teuton/Nippon dominance of luxury car sales in the US, based on present product and future plans, I'm definitely placing my hope with Cadillac.

Did Blank Disk really just equate the Navigator with the Slade? Thats absolutely hilarious.

The dealer is correct, the hit parade needs to continue.

The SRX should die - only because it would be completely superfluous with a CTS wagon. Cadillac tried to do the not really a wagon thing with the SRX and it failed, miserably. With gas prices rising - wagons will come back.

Then, let the BRX (again, a stupid name) it should be in line with the C, such as CRX - basically a SUV version of the CTS. The BRX should attempt to line up with the RX from Lexus and a wagon CTS should appeal to buyers who want good handling and capability. With a lower center of gravity - it would eat the X5 for lunch.

I agree with tgagneguam wholeheartedly. Cadillac is on the right track - probably more than any other GM division. Provided all new product comes out in CTS fashion, Cadillac is the least of GM's worries.

[YupYupYup]

Product-wise what really bothers me is GM's inability to launch a coupe alongside a sedan model. This is especially true with premium products such as the CTS. Why does it take several years from the launch of the sedan to the introduction of the coupe (or hatchback) variant? The Japanese and Germans seem to have no problem launching them together or close, with great success.

Take for instance the Mazda 3 several years back; Mazda launched the much better looking four-door hatchback model before the sedan model. Yes, you need a sedan for volume but the hot hatch really built the craze/ momentum for the product-line first. While coupes usually sell in lower numbers compared to a hatch, they still account for a vast amount of image/ prestige in the model line-up. The Germans are a prime example of this, with coupes launched across the model spectrum at or about the exact same time the sedans are launched.

How long wll we have to wait for a CTS coupe, GM? It looks great, but are you going to wait until the Japanese or Koreans go out and copy it and launch it first?

[Smaart Aas Saabr]

To me a lot of Cadillac dealers sounds like a good thing if you can keep the service level high enough.

BMW took a few years to launch 3 series coupe For the past few generations too.

[DuSpinnst]

Originally Posted by YupYupYup

Product-wise what really bothers me is GM's inability to launch a coupe alongside a sedan model. This is especially true with premium products such as the CTS. Why does it take several years from the launch of the sedan to the introduction of the coupe (or hatchback) variant? The Japanese and Germans seem to have no problem launching them together or close, with great success.

Take for instance the Mazda 3 several years back; Mazda launched the much better looking four-door hatchback model before the sedan model. Yes, you need a sedan for volume but the hot hatch really built the craze/ momentum for the product-line first. While coupes usually sell in lower numbers compared to a hatch, they still account for a vast amount of image/ prestige in the model line-up. The Germans are a prime example of this, with coupes launched across the model spectrum at or about the exact same time the sedans are launched.

How long wll we have to wait for a CTS coupe, GM? It looks great, but are you going to wait until the Japanese or Koreans go out and copy it and launch it first?

Coupe development started after the sedan, hence it is behind.

Coupes and Sedans are not as similar as you'd think, especially for specific computer modules.

[TaHoE]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I would say MKX=SRX
MKS>DTS Obviously since the Lincoln is brand new


You lost me after that.

I would say that the SRX (Mops the floor with) MKX.

The SRX is such a great vehicle. Wonderful interior, comfortable yet supportive seats. Excellent handiling, safety and acceleration. The only thing is styling, which the MKX is no beauty queen either.

Edge in Drag or stand alone SRX...the choice is super clear for me...it's a shame not many people see the wonderful vehicle that is in the SRX. It's easily one of GM's best.


Sharp and Decisive
vs.

Marshmallow Wonderland




Sporty and Luxurious

vs.

Retro-Plastic Monotony

[Gm786]

Originally Posted by TaHoE

I would say that the SRX (Mops the floor with) MKX.

The SRX is such a great vehicle. Wonderful interior, comfortable yet supportive seats. Excellent handiling, safety and acceleration. The only thing is styling, which the MKX is no beauty queen either.

Edge in Drag or stand alone SRX...the choice is super clear for me...it's a shame not many people see the wonderful vehicle that is in the SRX. It's easily one of GM's best.


Sharp and Decisive
vs.

Marshmallow Wonderland




Sporty and Luxurious

vs.

Retro-Plastic Monotony

The SRX has a very nice interior. Definitely looks better than the MKX's interior.

[ral1960]

Capitol Cadillac used to be a big, fancy dealership in Landover, MD, just inside the Beltway (I can remember when it was in NW DC). When & why did they move to Greenbelt?

The BRX will be noticably larger than the Lexus RX. 114" wheelbase vs 109?
I like it, but is this a good thing sales-wise?

[jkr2106]

Originally Posted by ral1960

Capitol Cadillac used to be a big, fancy dealership in Landover, MD, just inside the Beltway (I can remember when it was in NW DC). When & why did they move to Greenbelt?

yea...they used to be on 22nd, but they moved to greenbelt in 1979 so its been a while (actually my entire life). My granddad told me that when I was wondering why they'd call it Capitol Cadillac if it wasn't in DC.