As for the Turbo V8, can't say GM should not create a DOHC 4VPC Turbo V8, but for 2016 that engine has to be ready now. Can see Turbos added to the Corvette 6.2L and Bentley used OHV V8's for years and still may (need to verify). HP is not as important in large flagships as Torque, much like large Trucks/SUV's so a smooth and powerful (Torque) OHV Turbo V8 will be more than adequate for the first Gen and that OHV Turbo V8 could find happy homes in other GM products.
If the Flagship establishes itself on the market and there is demand for a DOHC 4VPC Turbo V8, then Cadillac can offer it then as an "upgrade".
If you truly believe you are "The Standard of the World" then you need a warranty...all Cadillacs should come with 7year/70.000 mile warranties.....and free service for the same period. All Omega's should be 10/ 100,000.....
The 2014 XTS Platinum V/Sport, with every option will top out at $70,000+. I expect the ULS to start north of $100,000. The 2015 Escalade will be $85,000-$100,000, the ELR will top out at $75,000+, the 2014 CTS V/Sport around $65,000, and the CTS-V (you know there's going to be one) around $90,000. So Cadillac is getting there.....
Until ATS arrives, GM APAC hasn't really got an ideally-sized or -priced Cadillac. They'll sell a few CTS, and even fewer SRX and one or two Escalades. Not because they are not liked there, just too expensive.
Buick and to a lesser extent Chevrolet are a model for what GM could achieve. Malibus after a slow start are up to 7-8,000 a month, which is impressive as they are a large and expensive car, relatively speaking, in China. The number of people who could realistically afford to own and run a Malibu is probbaly 1/10 of the US.
I, for one, don't think GM should waste money developing a bespoke engine just for a low volume Caddy. These days, people won't care or even know the difference between a bone stock LT1 and a twin turbo, DOHC, 5.5L V12. That's the sad truth that us oldschool car guys need to get through our heads. It makes for a nice fantasy, but it won't sell cars, just cost a lot to develop.
GM aught to put available resources into making sure the Omega platform is not just class-leading, but will also be relevant 10+ years down the line. This means flexible dimensions allowing for a LWB model in countries like China, where it will be demanded, rather than GM's typical: "Our all new, exclusive, from scratch platform only goes to 207 inches long but also not less than 201 inches until we have funds to develop an all new platform." Plan for the future, guys. I mean how often are you allowed to develop an all new chassis? (For example, the Impala Limited which will be in production until June 2014 is based on the W-Body platform, which while updated multiple times over the years, debuted in 1988, or 26 years earlier! And that is for a platform with multiple volume models funding it.)
These days, "platform" also includes the tech-bus built into the architecture. This Cadillac needs to follow the recent CUE trend of blowing the big boys out of the water (at least in having the first virtual gauges, and fresh software), but to the power of 10. Things like mobile hot spot, smartphone/tablet/laptop integration, entertainment points at every seating position, and plenty of streaming services all available or standard in the car. Of course, materials and accommodations will need to be first rate, and I think the XTS proves Cadillac has what it takes to make this happen at a higher price bracket. First-class-treatment reclining rear seats with massage and footrests seem to be the price of entry these days.
Now one can see, with all these new technological and mechanical investments, where GM would be smart to save their pennies for what the buyers will truly be moved by. Still, if given an opportunity to develop a new powertrain, I'd also like to see Voltec in the LTS--but pared to the LT1 engine as a full hybrid. For a little extra kick (beyond the electric motors) an electric supercharger could be used to take advantage of all those batteries and provide boost for a few minutes if needed. But as I said, platform and interior tech first...all wrapped in stunning American sheet metal. Best of luck to ya Caddy.
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Which make you wonder about the current Camaro. I mean, we assume that GM is making money on it. Especially considering that the average transaction price is several thousand dollars more than GM had originally forecast. But the part that I wonder about is that ~80K Camaros per year are built on an assembly line designed to build 250K cars per year.
Pony Car: an affordable, compact, highly styled car with a sporty or performance-oriented image and an available V8.
Great to hear, even though its repeated news. I still don't understand why Omega will be just for Caddy, Buick and Chevy need this platform just as much, Buick needs a 60-70k Super Ultra Sedan, and Chevy needs a Car for Police Duty, and a Super Sport Sedan. Just using this platform caddy will not be a good thing, just think how much Sigma would have been better if it was used for both Buick, and Chevy. O well at least we getting a Super Duper Caddy.
IF IT AINT RWD; AND A CHEVY I DONT RIDE IT!!!!!
ALL CHEVY'S NEED TO BE RWD!!!!!
"Developing" is not the same as building. Design and engineering can be done relatively inexpensively. It's when it comes down to tooling and setting up production that the costs run to hundreds of millions.
All automakers are developing products "on paper" all the time. Only a small percentage of these projects ever see production but that doesn't make the design and engineering work "dumb".
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If the next SRX utilizes Alpha, well then it's probably Lansing........
If it's built on Epsilon, then it could be built in any number of plants. Perhaps Kansas City since the Malibu hasn't set the world on fire.
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Also Oshawa, where the Camaro is built did/does make the W-body Impala and full-size trucks at the same plant.But the part that I wonder about is that ~80K Camaros per year are built on an assembly line designed to build 250K cars per year.
A bespoke version of the LT would be nice for Cadillac, different from the other engines, but still from the same family, perhaps a unique displacement version, with special internals.I, for one, don't think GM should waste money developing a bespoke engine just for a low volume Caddy. These days, people won't care or even know the difference between a bone stock LT1 and a twin turbo, DOHC, 5.5L V12. That's the sad truth that us oldschool car guys need to get through our heads. It makes for a nice fantasy, but it won't sell cars, just cost a lot to develop.
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