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    Camaro 3800 starts good, then dies

    98 Camaro I sold my son just had a starter put in.
    After a week or so, it would start up fine, then the motor would quit after a minute or less, stranding him.

    Fuel pump can be heard when ignition is turned on. Don't smell gas. Battery is less than a year old. MAF is two years old, never have had to service the throttle control sensor, idle control sensor, coil packs, and car runs real good til it stalls...
    Car will idle fine, but again, will die after a minute or two. Starter turns the motor great. Vacuum hoses seem fine....

    No SES lite, but havent pulled code history yet...

    Any ideas or takes. As always, thanks for any assistance!
    Last edited by ensign83; 03-26-2009 at 11:37 AM. Reason: no codes
    Mike, 1990 Olds Trofeo FE3, and 1998 Camaro 3800 5sp w/ Borla and Whisperlid

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    Re: Camaro 3800 starts good, then dies

    Pull codes next.

    Does it run a full minute or two, or just a few seconds?

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    Re: Camaro 3800 starts good, then dies

    Quote Originally Posted by MrCritical View Post
    Pull codes next.

    Does it run a full minute or two, or just a few seconds?
    Was just running a few seconds, but now it will not run at all, stuck at the house.
    it is OBD I anyway, so I will have to read the shop manual on getting codes. If I could get it to Auto Zone they'd pull codes on a OBD II car, but no one seems to do OBD I....
    Tks
    Mike, 1990 Olds Trofeo FE3, and 1998 Camaro 3800 5sp w/ Borla and Whisperlid

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    Re: Camaro 3800 starts good, then dies

    Quote Originally Posted by ensign83 View Post
    Was just running a few seconds, but now it will not run at all, stuck at the house.
    it is OBD I anyway, so I will have to read the shop manual on getting codes. If I could get it to Auto Zone they'd pull codes on a OBD II car, but no one seems to do OBD I....
    Tks
    I'm 99% sure EVERYTHING after '96 is OBDII by law.

    On an OBDI car you can pull codes with a paper clip (jumper wire) but OBDII you need a reader.

    Fuel filter?
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    Re: Camaro 3800 starts good, then dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzzy View Post
    I'm 99% sure EVERYTHING after '96 is OBDII by law.

    On an OBDI car you can pull codes with a paper clip (jumper wire) but OBDII you need a reader.

    Fuel filter?
    Fuel filter is recent, but it will be next.
    My bad, the Camaro IS OBD II! Still stranded, tho...
    Confused re OBD I because my 1990 Trofeo is lighting the SES lite, and IT is OBD I...

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    Re: Camaro 3800 starts good, then dies

    you sold it to your son? why not give it to him, cheapo? it sounds like a piece of crap anyway.
    j/k

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    Re: Camaro 3800 starts good, then dies

    Quote Originally Posted by bigbillsfan View Post
    you sold it to your son? why not give it to him, cheapo? it sounds like a piece of crap anyway.
    j/k

    if things keep going this way, maybe! tho, it performs so well I'd take her back in a heartbeat...
    as often happens, I'd never had trouble with her in 2 years and 60k miles of driving, but as soon as Jr bought her 2 months ago, it has needed a starter, which was not so bad (except that low car is so tight to climb under and work on; I'm getting old...)...
    And again, the SES light is not on, but I would like some damn codes...

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    Re: Camaro 3800 starts good, then dies

    MIKE.............Heres instructions on how to pull the OBD-1 codes without a reader:
    For GM domestic vehicles made before 1995, the diagnostic connector is located under the dash panel by the driver side. To get the check engine codes to flash in your dash panel, use a jumper wire or a paper clip and connect terminals A and B of the diagnostic connector. Turn your ignition key on with engine off and the codes should start to blink. All codes should start with code 12 which is one long flash followed by 2 short flashes. This code 12 means the diagnostic system is normal and will repeat itself continuously if there are no trouble codes. Otherwise, code 12 will flash 3 times before flashing the fault codes.

    This link shows the data port pinout and some of the codes:
    http://www.troublecodes.net/GM/


    Sorry I can't find another link for the obd-1 codes at the moment.
    You could check caddyinfo.com or cadillacforums for the obd-1 codes and it
    might be a possibility since some Caddys and Olds use the same stuff and you
    may be able to access the codes thru the heater controls like the Caddys can.
    Last edited by sonjaab; 03-27-2009 at 02:34 PM.

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    Re: Camaro 3800 starts good, then dies

    Here they are ! OBD-1 codes:
    GM common codes for OBD1 (for vehicles made before 1995)
    12 System normal
    13 oxygen sensor circuit open
    14 coolant sensor high resistance or shorted
    15 coolant sensor circuit low or open
    16 direct ignition system (DIS) fault in circuit
    17 cam position sensor fault
    18 crank or cam sensor error
    19 crank sensor circuit fault
    21 tps sensor out of range
    22 tps sensor signal voltage low
    23 intake air temp sensor out of range, low
    24 vehicle speed (vss) sensor circuit fault
    25 air temp sensor sensor out of range, high
    26 quad-driver module (computer) circuit #1 fault
    27 quad-driver module (computer) 2nd gear circuit
    28 quad-driver module (computer) circuit #2 fault
    29 quad driver module (computer) 4th gear circuit
    31 cam position sensor fault
    32 egr circuit fault
    33 map sensor signal out of range, high
    34 map sensor signal out of range, low
    35 idle air control sensor circuit fault
    36 ignition system circuit error
    38 brake input circuit fault
    39 clutch input circuit fault
    41 cam sensor circuit fault, igntion control circuit fault
    42 electronic spark timing (EST) circuit grounded
    43 knock sensor
    or electronic spark control circuit fault
    44 oxygen sensor lean exhaust
    45 oxygen sensor rich exhaust
    46 pass-key II circuit or ps.pressure switch circuit fault
    47 pcm-bcm data circuit
    48 misfire diagnosis
    51 calibration error, mem-cal, ecm or eeprom failure
    52 engine oil temperature circuit, low temperature indicated
    53 battery voltage error or egr or pass-key II circuit
    54 egr system failure or fuel pump circuit low voltage
    55 a/d converter error or pcm not grounded or lean fuel or frounded reference voltage
    56 quad-driver module #2 circuit
    57 boost control problem
    58 vehicle anti-theft system fuel enable circuit
    61 a/c system performance or degraded oxygen sensor signal
    62 engine oil temperature high temperature indicated
    63 oxygen sensor right side circuit open or map sensor out of range
    64 oxygen sensor right side lean exhaust indicated
    65 oxygen sensor right side rich exhaust indicated
    66 a/c pressure sensor circuit low pressure
    67 a/c pressure sensor circuit or a/c clutch circuit failure
    68 a/c compressor relay circuit failure
    69 a/c clutch circuit head pressure high
    70 a/c refrigerant pressure circuit high
    71 a/c evaporator temperature sensor circuit low
    72 gear selector switch circuit
    73 a/c evaporator temperature circuit high
    75 digital egr #1 solenoid error
    76 digital egr #2 solenoid error
    77 digital egr #3 solenoid error
    79 vehicle speed sensor (vss) circuit signal high
    80 vehicle speed sensor (vss) circuit signal low
    81 brake input circuit fault
    82 ignition control (IC) 3X signal error
    85 prom error
    86 analog/digital ecm error
    87 eeprom error
    99 power management

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    Re: Camaro 3800 starts good, then dies

    Quote Originally Posted by sonjaab View Post
    MIKE.............Heres instructions on how to pull the OBD-1 codes without a reader:
    For GM domestic vehicles made before 1995, the diagnostic connector is located under the dash panel by the driver side. To get the check engine codes to flash in your dash panel, use a jumper wire or a paper clip and connect terminals A and B of the diagnostic connector. Turn your ignition key on with engine off and the codes should start to blink. All codes should start with code 12 which is one long flash followed by 2 short flashes. This code 12 means the diagnostic system is normal and will repeat itself continuously if there are no trouble codes. Otherwise, code 12 will flash 3 times before flashing the fault codes.

    This link shows the data port pinout and some of the codes:
    http://www.troublecodes.net/GM/


    Sorry I can't find another link for the obd-1 codes at the moment.
    You could check caddyinfo.com or cadillacforums for the obd-1 codes and it
    might be a possibility since some Caddys and Olds use the same stuff and you
    may be able to access the codes thru the heater controls like the Caddys can.
    Thank You So Much!
    Mike, 1990 Olds Trofeo FE3, and 1998 Camaro 3800 5sp w/ Borla and Whisperlid

    Western Shore of the Chesapeake

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