No 6 Speed Manual for 2009 G8 GT

[zinner]

Putting a manual is probably a losing proposition money wise if it is a small percentage of sales.

[mrgto]

Originally Posted by zinner

Putting a manual is probably a losing proposition money wise if it is a small percentage of sales.

Wrong. I saw 4 SS Lumina's in South Africa the past 3 weeks and 3/4 were 6sp manuals. it wouldn't cost any more to make them for the US market.

[OutBurst]

Originally Posted by Thrash

I do a lot of coasting so I'm hard pressed to think an automatic is going to get better mileage than a manual.

Even when coasting with an automatic vehicle, no extra fuel is being used vs. idling.... The engine is simply using its compression to slow the vehicle. Duh.. Learn something before you say it. If you press the clutch in a standard, the engine goes to idle rpm's. Letting off the gas in an automatic, same amount of fuel is being used. Duh, once more!

[tom3]

More to it than that. When coasting with an auto you'll have drag, slowing the car, and the hyd. pumps are keeping pressure up in the tranny. Hypermilers know the difference.

[Joe in T.O.]

It really is a shame not having a manual on this car. I had a manual in my 91 GMC Sierra with the 350 engine and was fun to drive. ( Unfortunately, it was written off). One of my friends just bought a Porsche Cayenne because it had a manual transmission. ( He previously had an Audi A4 with manual transmission.)

[a_v_s]

Originally Posted by OutBurst

Even when coasting with an automatic vehicle, no extra fuel is being used vs. idling.... The engine is simply using its compression to slow the vehicle. Duh..

Actually LESS fuel is being used if you coast in gear, then if you push the clutch in. Reason being the ECU will TURN OFF the fuel injectors when you are decelerating while engine RPMS are above 1800 RPM or something like that. It's called DECEL_FUEL_CUT or something like that. While it does save gas to do this, the main reason is for emissions purposes, to prevent a lean condition that results in excessive NOx emissions.

If you simply push the clutch in, the ECU is still pulsing the injectors to maintain idle RPM, thus using more fuel. (Likewise if you throw it in Neutral while coasting)

If you don't believe me, I can post a video of a real-time scan/readout showing the injector pulse width going to ZERO while coasting in D.

[Buick61]

Originally Posted by mrgto

Wrong. I saw 4 SS Lumina's in South Africa the past 3 weeks and 3/4 were 6sp manuals. it wouldn't cost any more to make them for the US market.

No, that's not correct. Each powertrain variant must be crash-certified in the U.S. So it would cost GM money to have the manual transmission version federalized.

[mrgto]

Originally Posted by Buick61

No, that's not correct. Each powertrain variant must be crash-certified in the U.S. So it would cost GM money to have the manual transmission version federalized.

They already did in the GXP.

[tripowergto]

Originally Posted by mrgto

They already did in the GXP.

Yeah, the $40,000+ GXP. I want a stick in a GT.

[Buick61]

Originally Posted by mrgto

They already did in the GXP.

And they'd have to do it again for the GT.

[mrgto]

Originally Posted by Buick61

And they'd have to do it again for the GT.

So do it....what tranny sold more when the GTO was in production? Another dumb move by GM....

[tripowergto]

Originally Posted by mrgto

So do it....what tranny sold more when the GTO was in production? Another dumb move by GM....

O6 GTO M6 was 63% of model year production. GM is just trying to force us to pay $40K for a stick model. I ain't biting, I'll keep my GTO if necessary although I would concider a new G8 otherwise.

[ColinOpseth]

I have a GTO, too. MANUAL. I'll never buy a V8 RWD car with an automatic. You must be crazy if you think an automatic is "more fun to drive."

Perfect example. My wife came to my classroom last night to help me with my room for a few hours. On the way home we were getting on the freeway and she was following me with our '07 Sierra. There was a cement truck trying to get on the freeway. I say "trying" because I said "f*** this" and held 2nd gear until I saw a spot ahead on the freeway and then powershifted third, hit fourth and put 30 or so lengths on him.

MUCH fun. I'll buy a G8 WHEN it has a manual transmission. I'm sure my Vega and GTO can move over one space to make room for another V8 car.

[run&blade]

No stick = no fun. Might as well get the Impala SS and save money.

Pontiac is suppose to be the performance division and the G6 GTP and G8 GT don't come with sticks. WTF?

[SV6]

The 6cyl should have been offered with stick as well.They offer a stick behind the 6 in the cts and new camaro why not the G8 like someone else said in the thread could be a deal breaker.They say the g8 is a poor mans BMW....hard to be without a stick.