No 6 Speed Manual for 2009 G8 GT

[jzEllis]

Originally Posted by TruckMan

3% is an average that I read some place (maybe Car and Driver?). Sure, performance vehicles sell more, non-performance vehicles sell less. But non-performance vehicles sell in much higher numbers than performance ones. That's why they call it an average.

It might have been an average across all vehicles? But the point of the 3% was that very, very few people buy manual transmissions. That's why I'm guessing GM isn't that motivated in putting one in the G8 GT. I'm sure they know the real numbers.

People on the truck boards complain that GM doesn't sell a half-ton crew cab with a 6.5' bed. They think it's the #1 problem with GM trucks. But GM did sell them a few years back, and nobody bought them. Nobody buys them, GM doesn't make them. Simple supply and demand.

actually thats not a simple argument for supply and demand, it's simple proof of economy of scale denying a very viable segment of the market. i see standard cab short bed trucks EVERY day, so what GM sales 800,000 extended cab long beds and only 80-150,000 short bed standard cabs. thats still a lot of trucks no matter how u look at it. and those same people just go to your competitors. just like all of us manual lovers who are continuously denied by the major US auto makers. we also bads mouth the companies who scorn us and that cost sales to....but go ahead GM, keep thinking on the level of scale of economy, that will take u very far....oh wait, last i looked it hasn't!

[jzEllis]

Originally Posted by mrgto

And they want to "compete" with BMW? Last time I checked most if not all of their line up is offered with a honest to god manual, 3 pedals and a shifter that moves.

Only offering in the GXP is beyond retarded....even if you only get 10% to buy one, AT LEAST IT IS OFFERED!!!! Look at GTO sales...more than 50% were sticks...

It isn't like you have to do ANYTHING SPECIAL to the damn car..oh right, that wonderful displacement on demand....give me a break...put the 6.3L in it, detune it a bit, put a 2.93 gear in the ass end and give us the GOD DAMN MANUAL TRANNY!!!

CO-SIGN that!!!

[ANT]

Originally Posted by BlueMontreal

Can AFM work with manual ?

i think this has the most to do with it i dont believe it can work with a stick.

[jnak00]

GM Canada has posted manual transmission specs for both a G8 GT and a GXP on its website (final drives are different):

http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/vehicles...iac/g8/options

Not that this confirms anything, but at least it's a glimmer of hope that they'll still offer it.

[genjy]

Originally Posted by TriShield

GM just doesn't want to pay to certify the L98/V8 manual combo is probably what it comes down to.

Yeah... GM should just spend the money and call it marketing cost.

There's nothing better to enthusiasts than a car having available manual, even if they don't get it themselves.

[Lichtronamo]

[b4z]

I bought 2 also so that makes 11 and 12. But seriously......
I wouldn't own a auto GTO because I don't like the old style 4 speed auto.
When and if I do buy a G8 GXP it will be 6 speed auto because it's head and shoulders above the 4 speed.

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by Chaz_23

Who cares about a 50K GXP. Gives us a manual in the GT you morons (GM).

GXP will be under 30k. And its still the ONLY performance sedan with 400hp that offers a 6spd manual trans, something that Chrysler doesnt.
I dont find it too bad with the lack of 6spd manual for the GT. Take would have been very low.
Is GM gunna lose a few sales? Yeah, maybe. But there is nothing out there with a car like this that offers the power it does with a manual trans.
And if someone points out that teh Fusion gets a 6spd manual trans, then go buy a Fusion over a G8 GT.
I forgot about the 360hp Subbie performance sedan too.

Originally Posted by mrgto

And they want to "compete" with BMW? Last time I checked most if not all of their line up is offered with a honest to god manual, 3 pedals and a shifter that moves.

Only offering in the GXP is beyond retarded....even if you only get 10% to buy one, AT LEAST IT IS OFFERED!!!! Look at GTO sales...more than 50% were sticks...

It isn't like you have to do ANYTHING SPECIAL to the damn car..oh right, that wonderful displacement on demand....give me a break...put the 6.3L in it, detune it a bit, put a 2.93 gear in the ass end and give us the GOD DAMN MANUAL TRANNY!!!

Yes, you are right, but whats the take rate on 6spd manual trans for the 5 series?
Only offering an enthusiast transmission on the enthuisast model is stupid? Yeah, the GT should get one, but why should GM spend millions to recert the L98/6spd for a few hundred sales?

Its a 6.2. So you would take a 340hp detuned G8 GT, with a lower rear numerical rear, if it came with a 6spd manual? You would get a slower, less powered, yet priced the same and probably get nailed for a gas guzzler tax, just cause it has a manual?

Originally Posted by TruckMan

3% is an average that I read some place (maybe Car and Driver?). Sure, performance vehicles sell more, non-performance vehicles sell less. But non-performance vehicles sell in much higher numbers than performance ones. That's why they call it an average.

3% is total for all cars sold.
Im sure its higher with performance cars. Probably 30-35%.

[mrgto]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

GXP will be under 30k. And its still the ONLY performance sedan with 400hp that offers a 6spd manual trans, something that Chrysler doesnt.
I dont find it too bad with the lack of 6spd manual for the GT. Take would have been very low.
Is GM gunna lose a few sales? Yeah, maybe. But there is nothing out there with a car like this that offers the power it does with a manual trans.
And if someone points out that teh Fusion gets a 6spd manual trans, then go buy a Fusion over a G8 GT.
I forgot about the 360hp Subbie performance sedan too.



Yes, you are right, but whats the take rate on 6spd manual trans for the 5 series?
Only offering an enthusiast transmission on the enthuisast model is stupid? Yeah, the GT should get one, but why should GM spend millions to recert the L98/6spd for a few hundred sales?

Its a 6.2. So you would take a 340hp detuned G8 GT, with a lower rear numerical rear, if it came with a 6spd manual? You would get a slower, less powered, yet priced the same and probably get nailed for a gas guzzler tax, just cause it has a manual?



3% is total for all cars sold.
Im sure its higher with performance cars. Probably 30-35%.

I'm going to assume you meant $40K for the GXP....well not many are going to buy a PONTIAC for $40K...sorry.

Fine, then give it the standard engine, disable the DOD via electronics and you won't need to recertify it. The manual will get better mileage even without the DOD than a auto.

But don't give me this **** about them needing to compete wiht BMW and you don't even offer a stick.....it's stinks....

[tkrelston]

Originally Posted by New_Mexico_Sunset_on_Rt66

A little? Try allot. I averaged upper 20's (highway) for mpg in my 6-speed '02 Z28 and averaging the same in my '02 Z06.

This will be a deal breaker for many. They are taking a great car, and making it an alsoran.

I agree. It doesn't seem like a big deal to drop one in.

The LS1 GTO with six-speed was rated 6 mpg better than the four-speed automatic, however when the LS2 was dropped in, they were both rated at the Auto's 21 mpg. Therefore you can't say for sure it would improve MPG. You also get why I bought an 04 model!

[EldoFan]

Originally Posted by TriShield

GM is bungling this car nearly as bad as they did the Monaro.

How hard is it to simply sell the exact same car with the exact same options, colors and features to us?

GM just doesn't want to pay to certify the L98/V8 manual combo is probably what it comes down to.

Amen to this......

[spidge]

Originally Posted by mrgto

And they want to "compete" with BMW? Last time I checked most if not all of their line up is offered with a honest to god manual, 3 pedals and a shifter that moves.

Those of you in Australia and New Zealand don't know how lucky you are. This is what we have to deal with in North America. Those of us who like RWD and manuals, have little choice other than to pony up the cash and go to BMW, for now...

[demonv8]

I only ever buy manual myself, but when I did drive a Falcon XR6T a while back, the auto was great and I wasn't missing the manual at all, but we Aussies understand your pain. The G8 should have been released 6 months AFTER the launch of the VE with a manual tranny offered, but this is GM we are talking about who can take a great car and make it look half baked.

[SDRacing]

We shouldnt be surprised.

[joshls]

I was all about getting a g8 with a manual.... I think the GXP will be priced a bit out of my reach. I guess I'll just keep the GTO and buy a Volt in a few years