No 6 Speed Manual for 2009 G8 GT

[BlueMontreal]

Originally Posted by Ultra Magnus

Actually, I dont think it does. Which would make sense why the stick is only on the NON-AFM GXP cars.

With a small demand for manual (most drivers in NA would take automatic, like it or not) and the requirement for CAFE, if AFM can't work with AFM, offering manual on the G8 could make no sense in terms of profits and fuel economy.

I can understand why GM doesn't offer but I don't like that decision.

[spidge]

Originally Posted by TriShield

GM is bungling this car nearly as bad as they did the Monaro.

How hard is it to simply sell the exact same car with the exact same options, colors and features to us?

GM just doesn't want to pay to certify the L98/V8 manual combo is probably what it comes down to.

Exactly: the G8 is sold in just about every other market with this combination.

Between this news, and no Alpha, Pontiac has lost me as a potential future customer.

[TJ95GAGT]

Originally Posted by TriShield

GM just doesn't want to pay to certify the L98/V8 manual combo is probably what it comes down to.

Do you know how much this runs just out of curiousity?

Thats probably it though if its anything significant. At the very least it could be a option that you have to order, then wait for it get built and shipped.

[CadiEldo67]

Originally Posted by Beau

This comment is for all the of the wacked out people of GMI...

Remeber when you all bitched and moaned about not having yet another POS 2 valve manual v8 car? How you all said you'd buy it in a heartbeat. The came the GTO, and it sold like 7 of them.

Then you cried when that was gone, and then we saw the Aussie version of the G8 and you all rejoiced knowing it would come over here...

Then we got it, no one bought it again...

Then you all said it was because it was lacking a stick. Well, now we aren't getting it, yet another failure, honestly GM needs to STOP listening to the likes of GMI.

I don't think that any 2 valve engine is a POS, unless its a Chrysler engine The GTO didn't sell as well as expected because of its slightly high price tag-for a Pontiac, and its bland styling. And how can you say that no one is buying the G8? I heard that they are selling like crazy. Aside from Civics and Corollas, what is flying off the dealerships? A stick would help, but GM is going to do what GM is going to do, regardless of what those on GMI have to say. And there are times when I doubt they know anything about this site...

[run&blade]

I thought Pontiac was the sporty performance division?
G6 GXP ----> No manual
G8 GT -----> No manual

Nothing more exciting then sitting behind the wheel and doing nothing. I have the old school GM card with the maximum $3500 in points racked up on it and a POS with 180,000 miles on it, I can't wait much longer. At this point the only thing that GM makes that is exciting is the Solstice, of course they will probably take the stick out of that too.

I guess GM is putting all their spare change in the $40,000 Volt, you know, the car that does what a Prius does for $18,000 more. I do realize the Volt is a plug in but with that kind of markup the Volt is dead before it lives.

[LeSabre]

This doesn't surprise me none.
No Nav for this car & now no manual tranny for the base or GT models.
Another car that is only half baked when launched.
Typical GM!

[genjy]

Stamp and go, point and shoot, steering not driving.

That's automatic for you.

[member12]

Originally Posted by johnstarnes

This does not strike me as productive...then again Pontiac is trying to sell a ute that Chevy should have gotten as a new El Camino while using the utterly lame advertising line "G-8 is Car".

Some things never change.

GM will always be a clusterf-ck of epic proportions...and they will always wonder why they can't make money.

[TruckMan]

Originally Posted by BigEnos

The take rate for stickshift GTOs was much higher than 3%. For '05 and '06 it was greater than 50% IIRC. That would go down a bit for a 4-door, but I'd bet it'd be in the 30-ish percent range.

I don't think BMW stays awake at night wondering whether to offer a manual trans based on take-rate or focus groups and Pontiac shouldn't either. They need to lead or get out of the way. The time for trying to follow has passed.

It doesn't surprise me that a sports car has a high MT rate, but the G8 is no sports car. And Pontiac isn't even close to being a BMW. Pontiac's competition is Nissan or Mazda. Look at how many MT they sell. Not many.

[Perian]

Originally Posted by run&blade

I have the old school GM card with the maximum $3500 in points racked up on it and a POS with 180,000 miles on it, I can't wait much longer.

Keep in mind that your point will soon (very soon), begin to expire.

[88ls1blazer]

Originally Posted by Mischief007

Wow, sorry GM, looks like I will be forced to go to Subaru.

Yeah, cause I'm sure you were really gonna buy one anyways. Your car listed is a grand prix GTP, so you must be a hardcore, manual only type of guy since that has a stick... Oh wait...

[F14CRAZY]

Originally Posted by TruckMan

Manual transmissions make up <3% of sales in vehicles that offer them. And they save maybe 1 or 2 mpg when you run the numbers. This isn't a huge deal for GM. Though I do feel sorry for those that want the MT because it's fun to drive. I think GM is weighing the costs vs rewards here and not seeing a legit reason. Aparently customer satisfaction is not a high priority for GM right now. Still no Nav or memory seats on the G8 either.

I respectfully want to argue against your 3%...I'm confident that's more in the Corvette, Cobalt SS, Solstice, Sky...people that buy performance vehicles want manuals

[mrgto]

And they want to "compete" with BMW? Last time I checked most if not all of their line up is offered with a honest to god manual, 3 pedals and a shifter that moves.

Only offering in the GXP is beyond retarded....even if you only get 10% to buy one, AT LEAST IT IS OFFERED!!!! Look at GTO sales...more than 50% were sticks...

It isn't like you have to do ANYTHING SPECIAL to the damn car..oh right, that wonderful displacement on demand....give me a break...put the 6.3L in it, detune it a bit, put a 2.93 gear in the ass end and give us the GOD DAMN MANUAL TRANNY!!!

[TruckMan]

Originally Posted by F14CRAZY

I respectfully want to argue against your 3%...I'm confident that's more in the Corvette, Cobalt SS, Solstice, Sky...people that buy performance vehicles want manuals

3% is an average that I read some place (maybe Car and Driver?). Sure, performance vehicles sell more, non-performance vehicles sell less. But non-performance vehicles sell in much higher numbers than performance ones. That's why they call it an average.

It might have been an average across all vehicles? But the point of the 3% was that very, very few people buy manual transmissions. That's why I'm guessing GM isn't that motivated in putting one in the G8 GT. I'm sure they know the real numbers.

People on the truck boards complain that GM doesn't sell a half-ton crew cab with a 6.5' bed. They think it's the #1 problem with GM trucks. But GM did sell them a few years back, and nobody bought them. Nobody buys them, GM doesn't make them. Simple supply and demand.

[jzEllis]

Originally Posted by Beau

This comment is for all the of the wacked out people of GMI...

Remeber when you all bitched and moaned about not having yet another POS 2 valve manual v8 car? How you all said you'd buy it in a heartbeat. The came the GTO, and it sold like 7 of them.

Then you cried when that was gone, and then we saw the Aussie version of the G8 and you all rejoiced knowing it would come over here...

Then we got it, no one bought it again...

Then you all said it was because it was lacking a stick. Well, now we aren't getting it, yet another failure, honestly GM needs to STOP listening to the likes of GMI.

Originally Posted by CaptainDan

Hey! I got one too! That makes eight.

don't forget me! i bought 2! so thats 9 and 10!

and hey BEAU, it must really pain you to know that yet again, ANOTHER, v8 manual POS car still out sold the end all be all of super cars, Supra, even when there was no market for it! lol