Could GM Shut Hummer Down if deal with Tengzhong falls through?

[iluvcamaros]

Since Hummer is apparently dying is it too soon to start dividing up whats left of it? How about we get the H3's dash in the Colorado/Canyon?

Same factory, tooling is there, come on "New GM".

Also, how about some actual Bowtie badges on the steering wheels? I mean all of my family's used GM vehicles make use of stamped rubber logos. It was common practice just a few years ago. I understand. Now though, everybody spends the $ on actual color/chrome badges. Would this be too much to ask?

[FanOfDurant]

GMC's sole purpose in life should be to fight Jeep

THIS. That would actually make GMC mean something again.

Since Hummer is apparently dying is it too soon to start dividing up whats left of it? How about we get the H3's dash in the Colorado/Canyon?

Same factory, tooling is there, come on "New GM".

Also, how about some actual Bowtie badges on the steering wheels? I mean all of my family's used GM vehicles make use of stamped rubber logos. It was common practice just a few years ago. I understand. Now though, everybody spends the $ on actual color/chrome badges. Would this be too much to ask?

And THIS! There's so much potential here. Forget selling it, forget the 'Hummer' name.. Keep the technology and designs to incorporate into your Chevy and GMC products!

[ejfx]

Its too bad all those Hummer dealership "war bunkers" were built for no reason

[iluvcamaros]

Originally Posted by FanOfDurant

THIS. That would actually make GMC mean something again. And THIS! There's so much potential here. Forget selling it, forget the 'Hummer' name.. Keep the technology and designs to incorporate into your Chevy and GMC products!

I know! The name just costs money to promote and would cause confusion if you tried to integrate it with GMC or Chevy.

What is left after that? Two products,

1. An old GMT-800 based SUV.
2. A GMT-355 based SUV/Truck.

Concerning the first; Chevy, GMC, and Cadillac have all moved on to the GMT-900 platform. Maybe you could use some of the design in a real all out special edition Z71. Otherwise leave it to automobile history.

The mid-sized trucks are really desperate for even a hint of an update though. So the H3's all around "better-ness" could seriously give a boost to those sad trucks. You could also use the suspension or whatever in a special edition Colorado Z71. Maybe offer the luxo leather interior seating in a Canyon SLT (or dare I say "Denali").

[MaxLegroom]

Originally Posted by ejfx

Its too bad all those Hummer dealership "war bunkers" were built for no reason

I know what you mean. The Hummer dealership in Virginia Beach seems to be selling used cars mostly.

I'm wondering just how many of the folks on the various Hummer forms would actually continue to buy Hummers knowing that the company is owned by a Chinese company. I know I certainly wouldn't.

[zmanjr]

Originally Posted by iluvcamaros

Since Hummer is apparently dying is it too soon to start dividing up whats left of it? How about we get the H3's dash in the Colorado/Canyon?

Same factory, tooling is there, come on "New GM".

Also, how about some actual Bowtie badges on the steering wheels? I mean all of my family's used GM vehicles make use of stamped rubber logos. It was common practice just a few years ago. I understand. Now though, everybody spends the $ on actual color/chrome badges. Would this be too much to ask?

i see how they look the same. The h3 has two-colors for the dash, the chevy has one color. the chevy instrument cluster is a bit squared off while the h3 is just a bit more rounded but looks almost the same. this is badge energing at its worst. the best gm has done is with the g6 and aura which are different.... why not with hummer? oh well hummer is dead, the chinesse wont buy them...

[Timekeeper]

My Vote! Move it to the GMC family.
Simple as that. Then convert the Hummer dealers to Buick/GMC.

[GMOwner]

I heard a report on the radio about how Russians are going "gah-gah" over Hummers--especially now that the brand may be retired.

Let the Russians take it over. They get a lot more snow than we do and drill enough of their oil to pay for the 7 mpg rating.

The Hummer brand (to many a consumer mind) represents what went wrong with GM. The ultimate SUV with big honkin' engine and a big honkin' console in the front. It is exactly the opposite direction that GM and all the other manufacturers are taking for the next 10 years.

Let the Hummer brand go to anybody who wants it...

Move on GM...move on...

[samy1691]

Hey GM don't be TOO stupid........give us the HX in ANYTHING.!!!!!!!!! NO BRAINER!!!!!

[MyImpalaSS]

Originally Posted by YupYupYup

Like I said earlier, HUMMER should be a trim level of GMC. Keep the customers in the fold and stave off the Chinese!

1. Denali can be the "luxury" trim, while HUMMER trim goes after JEEP, Land Rover

2. HUMMER trim: two-mode hybrids (they are coming on line in great numbers just in time). Make them only with hybrids...It will provide them with the eco-image they require and great torque.

3. The rest of GMC can remain focused on "urban ruggedness" and luxury in Denali form.

The Denali trim competes with Land Rover. I have a Denali and I've driven a RR. Those two vehicles are not far off, especially the interiors.

[solman98]

Bury them right next to Pontiac. There is more than one reason they need to go.

[johnny smallblock]

Originally Posted by cgriff

It doesn't seem like they would be left with much of a choice if the sale falls through. Unless they are able to send any of those vehicles over to GMC; but there would still be no need for the dealer network.

The dealer network is the problem. GM is looking to sell HUMMER so it doesn't have to deal with paying for closing the dealers.

Originally Posted by ILLICEMAN

I am not up to date on these things but why can,t GM bring Hmmer into another brand.
Produce it on a line they already have and it looks like for little cost could start making money with it.It is certainley a desirerable unit.
Sounds to simple I know.

It's not a desireable unit. As evidence by plummeting sales. It's nice in theory, but no one actually wants to buy a HUMMER. And GM shoud not spend its very limited resources on a very limited product that creates PR nightmares for the company.

Originally Posted by desmo9

Just the perception behind the Asian ownership, even if the management, engineering, and manufacturing remained in its locale, is damaging. Jag's as good as dead. As will be Hummer if this goes through. It'll take a considerable number of Chinese buyers to make it float.

Yeah. Everyone knows Asians can't make good cars. Like Lexus. No one buys those pieces of crap. And Jag is totally dead. And by totally dead I mean its getting more positive reviews than it has in years.

Originally Posted by YupYupYup

Maybe a "HUMMER trim level" for really rugged versions of GMCs? However the HUMMER name has been so villified (maybe not a word, ha, ha!) by the press, even if it hypocritical in many respects.

HUMMER hasn't been vilified for anything it hasn't deserved. The H2 gets about 9mpg. That's beyond embarassing. And that's why people (not media companies) have been staying away from dealerships.

Originally Posted by rsbaker

I’ve suggested many times bringing H3 and H3T over to GMC. With some cosmetic changes and a more fuel efficient Engine/Transmission combo, it think it could be something different and special for GMC and very successful. They would certainly have to kill H2.

I’d love to see a “Jeep Wrangler like” short wheelbase GMC based on the Hummer concept HX too. Jeep should not go unchallenged in that segment

1. If you're taking the H3 and changing the exterior, engine and transmission, why bother keeping it? It's based on existing GM products already. You know why GM is selling HUMMER? Because no one wants to buy one. Selling vehicles no one wants to buy is a sure fire way to wind up back in BK. Let it go. It's for the best. GM survived 80 years without HUMMER.

2. You don't need HUMMER to make a Wrangler competitor. What you do need is vision. Toyota tried with the FJ. Result: too big and too thirsty. People stayed away in droves. What are the odds GM could produce an SUV that isn't too heavy, and too big? I don't think they've done it yet, so I'm not hopeful.

Originally Posted by chakis24

h3 & h3t 4wd: 14/18, 13/16
wrangler 2 door 4wd 15/19
grand cherokee 4wd: 15/20, 14/19
land cruiser: 13/18
fj cruiser: 16/20, 14/19
durango 4wd: 13/19
explorer & exp. sport trac 4wd: 14/19, 13/19
commander 4wd: 14/19, 13/19, 13/18
range rover: 12/18
lr3: 12/17
pathfinder: 13/18, 14/20
xterra: 16/20, 15/20

all figured for 2009 models from fueleconomy.gov

the people who dont get these vehicles are the one who complain about them, and its sad.

HUMMER isn't criticized for the H3. They are criticized for the H2 and the H1 before it. If the most efficient vehicle you make gets 14/18 you deserve to be the posterboy for inefficiency because, well, you are.

And what's really sad is that GM didn't see this coming.

Originally Posted by Aromanances

Put the Duel mode in all hummers standard. Think of it ALL HUMMERS ARE HYBRIDS.. Take that Gov Greenies............

I've been saying that for years. HUMMERs have the profit margins to absorb the 2-Modes and efficiency should be linked to being outdoorsy anyway.

As an aside, you do realize that if GM had done the "greenies" wouldn't have complained. That actually would have made everyone happy. The knock against GM has been that they don't understand the market or their critics. Your post, in an interesting way, is a perfect illustration of this.

Then of course there's this line from the article, showing this has nothing to do with the government at all:

GM, which was considering abandoning Hummer even before its financial meltdown...

[H3AlphaGuy]

Originally Posted by Suziebob

GMC's sole purpose in life should be to fight Jeep, imo

That's what Hummer's job was, and we all know how well GM did with that one.

[H3AlphaGuy]

Originally Posted by zmanjr

well gm does not own Hummer. Motors Liquidation Company ownes Hummer and would be the ones to shut them down. Since Motors Liquidation is still in bankruptcy it would not be hard for Motors Liquidation Company to get the dealer contracts thrown out in bankruptcy court, like how they did with the dealers the new GM Company did not want. So remember when it comes to Saturn, Hummer, Saab, and Saturn GM really has no say what soever since they dont own them... Motors Liquidation Company owns Saturn, Hummer, Saab, and Saturn and 13 plants as well.

Actually GM brought it over as part of "GoodGM", so they can get the 100-200 million for it.

[1931Chevy]

The most honorable way its to let Hummer be shut down before letting the Chinese own them and its nothing personal against the chinese