Could GM Shut Hummer Down if deal with Tengzhong falls through?

[davidlane]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

I don't think Jag's as good as dead. Nor is Land Rover.
Part of the reason is that the Indian leadership truly understands the British brands -- for obvious reasons. And Land Rover is really held on a high pedestal as the "ultimate" in luxury by the Indians.

With proper management, I think both brands are going to thrive. And the way their current lineup is situated, they will not have a problem.

Let's see how the tackle the new Jaguar XE. That will be the first new product under Indian leadership.
On the surface, at least initially, it looks like a return to the core of Jaguar's sporting heritage. Time will tell though if XE will really run with the Cayman and 911 -- its spiritual competition.

And all this good news is why Tata is working on closing one of the two Jag/LR plants, correct?

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by davidlane

And all this good news is why Tata is working on closing one of the two Jag/LR plants, correct?

Last I heard, Jaguar operates only 1 plant. The other one was closed by Ford.

Look. Jaguar sells what... 120-170K cars annually worldwide? 1 plant can handle all of that production easily, if efficient enough.

It makes sense to minimize overhead and streamline operations to work on profitability.

And XJ/XK/XE are on platform derivatives, simplifying the production process.

It can be done.

Same with Land Rover, to an extent.

[crm2019]

Originally Posted by rsbaker

Almost anything is better than letting the Chinese get their hand on it!
I’ve suggested many times bringing H3 and H3T over to GMC. With some cosmetic changes and a more fuel efficient Engine/Transmission combo, it think it could be something different and special for GMC and very successful. They would certainly have to kill H2. GM could use the GMC concept name of a while back the “Terra 4”. If GM gave GMC versions of H3 & H3T, GM could continue to sell them in South Africa, Australia and wherever else they had originally eventually wanted to sell Hummers.

Hummer H3 could become: GMC Terra 4
Hummer H3T could become: GMC Terra 4 XT

I’d love to see a “Jeep Wrangler like” short wheelbase GMC based on the Hummer concept HX too. Jeep should not go unchallenged in that segment

It would be sweet as heck if that pic above could be the blazer/jimmy brought back to life! it could be made as a 2 or 4 door and compete with the toyota FJ cruiser/4runner, and jeeps. as well as fill the void that the trailblazer/envoy have left. toyota has 6 suvs varying in size. gm has 4, and should maybe try to keep up with that segment.

[Suziebob]

GMC's sole purpose in life should be to fight Jeep, imo

[chakis24]

keep them!

theres no reason why hummer cant compete with land cruiser and land rover. or the xterra, wrangler, 4runner, etc. there is a market for these vehicles, theyve just been unfairly singled out and criticized by the public. as for fuel ineffecient, some figures:

h3 & h3t 4wd: 14/18, 13/16
wrangler 2 door 4wd 15/19
grand cherokee 4wd: 15/20, 14/19
land cruiser: 13/18
fj cruiser: 16/20, 14/19
durango 4wd: 13/19
explorer & exp. sport trac 4wd: 14/19, 13/19
commander 4wd: 14/19, 13/19, 13/18
range rover: 12/18
lr3: 12/17
pathfinder: 13/18, 14/20
xterra: 16/20, 15/20

all figured for 2009 models from fueleconomy.gov

bottom line is that the h3 is competitive in mpg in a class where fuel efficiency is not the number one priority. the h3 is great at what it does and has won numerous awards since its debut. the h2 isnt rated because its so heavy, but it too has won awards and is very competitive in its off road capabilities. and when i say awards, i dont mean car and driver slalom times, i mean four wheeler rock crawling, mudding, clearance and departure angles, that sort of thing.

the people who dont get these vehicles are the one who complain about them, and its sad.

[Slideways]

Originally Posted by crm2019

It would be sweet as heck if that pic above could be the blazer/jimmy brought back to life! it could be made as a 2 or 4 door and compete with the toyota FJ cruiser/4runner, and jeeps. as well as fill the void that the trailblazer/envoy have left. toyota has 6 suvs varying in size. gm has 4, and should maybe try to keep up with that segment.

I agree with that, and I especially like rsbaker's name, "GMC Terra". It does have a nice ring to it, but I think it's too close to Xterra. I thought that "Recon" or "Dakar" would be cool names for a real, capable SUV, although there's nothing wrong with "Blazer". I'd like to spend some time in Photoshop coming up with a Wrangler competitor based on the HX.

[JeffInDFW]

GMC Denali is the "luxury" trim upgrade, and does not compete with HUMMER. HUMMER should be aimed squarely at ultimate off road capability. The GMC Trucks, GMC Denali trim levels, and GMC HUMMERS could fit perfectly in the same showroom.

Jeep Wrangler, Jeep Cherokee, Nissan Xterra, Toyota FJ.....The GMC HUMMERS would compete with those vehicles which sell strongly year after year. The HUMMER got pegged by the hippies because of the H2, just like Ford got pegged by the Excursion. They dropped the Excursion, but did not drop the rest of their SUV lineup.

[Aromanances]

Put the Duel mode in all hummers standard. Think of it ALL HUMMERS ARE HYBRIDS.. Take that Gov Greenies............

[YupYupYup]

Like I said earlier, HUMMER should be a trim level of GMC. Keep the customers in the fold and stave off the Chinese!

1. Denali can be the "luxury" trim, while HUMMER trim goes after JEEP, Land Rover

2. HUMMER trim: two-mode hybrids (they are coming on line in great numbers just in time). Make them only with hybrids...It will provide them with the eco-image they require and great torque.

3. The rest of GMC can remain focused on "urban ruggedness" and luxury in Denali form.

[davidlane]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Last I heard, Jaguar operates only 1 plant. The other one was closed by Ford.

Look. Jaguar sells what... 120-170K cars annually worldwide? 1 plant can handle all of that production easily, if efficient enough.

It makes sense to minimize overhead and streamline operations to work on profitability.

And XJ/XK/XE are on platform derivatives, simplifying the production process.

It can be done.

Same with Land Rover, to an extent.

They're talking about one plant total not one each.

Tata confirms closure of one Jaguar/Land Rover plant

When the economy declines it's luxury vehicles that struggle most. Jaguar and Land Rover haven't been the most profitable automakers for quite a while, and parent company Tata is about to take drastic measures to stem the blood loss. Tat is currently studying which of the two Jaguar/Land Rover plants it should shut to try and rectify some of the losses; Solihull or Castle Bromwich.

http://www.carandsuv.co.nz/news/8900...nd-rover-plant

[zmanjr]

well gm does not own Hummer. Motors Liquidation Company ownes Hummer and would be the ones to shut them down. Since Motors Liquidation is still in bankruptcy it would not be hard for Motors Liquidation Company to get the dealer contracts thrown out in bankruptcy court, like how they did with the dealers the new GM Company did not want. So remember when it comes to Saturn, Hummer, Saab, and Saturn GM really has no say what soever since they dont own them... Motors Liquidation Company owns Saturn, Hummer, Saab, and Saturn and 13 plants as well.

[SullyND]

I don't see how people suggesting folding Hummer into GMC makes any sense. Hummer is two vehicles, and H2, which will require investment if it is to be maintained (And I would then ask why) and the H3 which is based on GMs small truck platform. The H2 is assembled by American General for GM, and the H3 is in a plant that is scheduled to be closed, is it not? The Hummer problem is not what to do with the vehicles, it's what to do with the dealerships. Making an H3 a GMC would not solve that issue.

[Kennyboy]

Who's still willing to purchase a brand new HUMMER with the new fuel guidelines in place? You will be paying a hefty price because HUMMER could not make the fuel requirements.

[American_Muscle]

Originally Posted by rsbaker

Almost anything is better than letting the Chinese get their hand on it!
I’ve suggested many times bringing H3 and H3T over to GMC. With some cosmetic changes and a more fuel efficient Engine/Transmission combo, it think it could be something different and special for GMC and very successful. They would certainly have to kill H2. GM could use the GMC concept name of a while back the “Terra 4”. If GM gave GMC versions of H3 & H3T, GM could continue to sell them in South Africa, Australia and wherever else they had originally eventually wanted to sell Hummers.

Hummer H3 could become: GMC Terra 4
Hummer H3T could become: GMC Terra 4 XT

I’d love to see a “Jeep Wrangler like” short wheelbase GMC based on the Hummer concept HX too. Jeep should not go unchallenged in that segment

Exactly! There's no reason some of these can't become GMC's. The name "Hummer" had a huge impact on the reason these didnt sell much lately, so switch the name, switch the styling, and do a little rearranging, and you have GMC with a brand new off road division..with the best mid-sized truck and a Wrangler competitor.

[ColinOpseth]

Originally Posted by Jedi

There ALL warmed up chevys.

That doesn't make any sense.

"They're ALL warmed up Chevy's."