Confirmed: Renault-Nissan killed Saturn - Page 2

stormwatcher · 10-01-2009, 04:27 PM

Saturn sold just over 1,300 vehicles nationwide last month. That had to also weigh heavily on Penske's decision.

1.21 giggawatts · 10-01-2009, 04:39 PM

its sad that saturns retailers wanted to buy the brand and get a backer, then penske wanted in and f'd it all up. talks shouldn't have dragged out as long as they did if he didn't have a firm commitment from renault-nissan to provide cars. also if he didn't why didn't he have a back up supplier. either way penske walks away squeekey clean and thousands of people are now out of work.

adplusone · 10-01-2009, 04:50 PM

GM killed Saturn.

Stéphane Dumas · 10-01-2009, 04:54 PM

Just a supposition then I post, maybe R-N isn't interested in Saturn a lot. There might be more interested to a bigger target....even if "Captain Kirk" is out of the picture now.
I digged the archives to find a old post
Commentary: The GM-Nissan-Renault Alliance

AMcA · 10-01-2009, 04:55 PM

Bingo, exactly: why the heck would Nissan want to feed product to a US competitor?

AMcA · 10-01-2009, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adplusone

GM killed Saturn.

Ummm, they didn't kill it so much as they let it die. Criminal neglect? Yes. But not murder.

Probably the saddest episode in the whole downward spiral of GM. Despite itself, GM created what was briefly the hottest car brand on earth - based not on particularly great cars, but based on good feelings. It was an extraordinary accomplishment.

And then they succeeded in letting it die. They did just about everything wrong in destroying that great brand. Letting the cars languish. Allowing their uniqueness to fade.

Imagine if the original Saturn had been subject to a continuous improvement program. Imagine if they'd managed to keep up the UAW agreement. Imagine if they had taken Saturn off into a 'socially responsible/green' direction.

But somehow it wasn't in GM to do anything but grind all those good feelings into dust on its heavy heel.

62Lincoln · 10-01-2009, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1.21 giggawatts

its sad that saturns retailers wanted to buy the brand and get a backer, then penske wanted in and f'd it all up.

It's BS to attempt to paint Penske as the bad player. What exactly is preventing the Saturn dealers from proceeding with their plan, now that Penske has dropped its plan?

goblue · 10-01-2009, 05:41 PM

BINGO. NISSAN KILLED IT.

In order for it to work, had to be a company that doesn't compete in the US or have ties to the US. And it needs to be a reputable company. I don't think such an auto company exists.

davidlane · 10-01-2009, 05:53 PM

GM killed Saturn, Renault/Nissan is assisting with the wake.

YupYupYup · 10-01-2009, 06:17 PM

Nissan was afraid...

mbukukanyau · 10-01-2009, 06:39 PM

Nissan is in dire straights, have you seen their numbers lately?

Burnout Czar · 10-01-2009, 06:47 PM

I'm gonna blame this all on Carlos and the Rodge!!!

stevecmh · 10-01-2009, 07:04 PM

shame.. but better... An American car company... with all Nissan.. no thanks

zmanjr · 10-01-2009, 07:04 PM

i say it again and again in bad times it is a good thing for renault / nissan. in good times it is a bad thing for Renault / Nissan

he should have gone to Citroen or a GAZ the russian car company....

dindak · 10-01-2009, 07:56 PM

Why Nissan would want to build for a Competitor I would never understand.

10-01-2009, 04:27 PM	#16 (permalink)
stormwatcher 6.0 Liter L76 V8 Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,272	Re: Confirmed: Renault-Nissan killed Saturn Saturn sold just over 1,300 vehicles nationwide last month. That had to also weigh heavily on Penske's decision.

10-01-2009, 04:39 PM	#17 (permalink)
1.21 giggawatts 2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 127	Re: Confirmed: Renault-Nissan killed Saturn its sad that saturns retailers wanted to buy the brand and get a backer, then penske wanted in and f'd it all up. talks shouldn't have dragged out as long as they did if he didn't have a firm commitment from renault-nissan to provide cars. also if he didn't why didn't he have a back up supplier. either way penske walks away squeekey clean and thousands of people are now out of work. __________________ strange things are afoot at the circle k.

10-01-2009, 04:50 PM	#18 (permalink)
adplusone 5.3 Liter Vortec V8 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Soon To Be Independent Country Of Tejas Drives: Long Time Chevy Driver Posts: 1,256	Re: Confirmed: Renault-Nissan killed Saturn GM killed Saturn. __________________ Brake. Apex. Accelerate.

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Stéphane Dumas 6.2 Liter LS3 V8 Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,641	Re: Confirmed: Renault-Nissan killed Saturn Just a supposition then I post, maybe R-N isn't interested in Saturn a lot. There might be more interested to a bigger target....even if "Captain Kirk" is out of the picture now. I digged the archives to find a old post Commentary: The GM-Nissan-Renault Alliance

10-01-2009, 04:55 PM	#20 (permalink)
AMcA 4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,747	Re: Confirmed: Renault-Nissan killed Saturn Bingo, exactly: why the heck would Nissan want to feed product to a US competitor?

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10-01-2009, 05:41 PM	#23 (permalink)
goblue 6.2 Liter LS9 Supercharged V8 Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,295	Re: Confirmed: Renault-Nissan killed Saturn BINGO. NISSAN KILLED IT. In order for it to work, had to be a company that doesn't compete in the US or have ties to the US. And it needs to be a reputable company. I don't think such an auto company exists. __________________ VOLTEC is the future of everything automotive. A plug in Prius is not the same as a VOLT. Hydrogen is dead. 8 speed transmissions are irrelevant. Buick is rumored to get a RWD Zeta flagship. Cadillac gets a tarted up Impala. Anyone see a problem here?

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davidlane 4.6 Liter Northstar V8 Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,845	Re: Confirmed: Renault-Nissan killed Saturn GM killed Saturn, Renault/Nissan is assisting with the wake.

10-01-2009, 06:17 PM	#25 (permalink)
YupYupYup 5.3 Liter Vortec V8 Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,264	Re: Confirmed: Renault-Nissan killed Saturn Nissan was afraid...

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mbukukanyau Firebird Concept (the turbine one) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In front of my computer Drives: 2006 HHR 1995 Honda Pasport SUV Posts: 11,103	Re: Confirmed: Renault-Nissan killed Saturn Nissan is in dire straights, have you seen their numbers lately?

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Burnout Czar 3.0 Liter SIDI V6 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The Office of The Burnout Czar Drives: 2008 Pontiac G8 GT 2000 Chevrolet S-10 Posts: 695	Re: Confirmed: Renault-Nissan killed Saturn I'm gonna blame this all on Carlos and the Rodge!!! __________________ From the office of the Burnout Czar.

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stevecmh 6.2 Liter LS3 V8 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Muskego, WI Drives: 04' Grand Prix GT 08' Pierce Impel Ladder Truck Posts: 3,974	Re: Confirmed: Renault-Nissan killed Saturn shame.. but better... An American car company... with all Nissan.. no thanks

10-01-2009, 07:04 PM	#29 (permalink)
zmanjr Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 213	Re: Confirmed: Renault-Nissan killed Saturn i say it again and again in bad times it is a good thing for renault / nissan. in good times it is a bad thing for Renault / Nissan he should have gone to Citroen or a GAZ the russian car company....

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dindak 6.2 Liter LS3 V8 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto area Drives: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu LT2 V6 / 2008 Montana SV6 Posts: 3,515	Re: Confirmed: Renault-Nissan killed Saturn Why Nissan would want to build for a Competitor I would never understand.

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