Buick, Pontiac & GMC To Get 12 New Vehicles Over The Next 20 Months - No Trans Am

[CharlotteFirebird]

Originally Posted by yoblues

The old GM problem of having far to many brands surfaces again.

Too many brands...or too many models? Limit Pontiac and Buick to 5 each.

[DuSpinnst]

Originally Posted by goblue

If this is the case, then axe Pontiac.

Can't too costly.

The brand will shrink down to nothing, like Buick is now.

[DuSpinnst]

Originally Posted by CharlotteFirebird

Too many brands...or too many models? Limit Pontiac and Buick to 5 each.

5?

4 max.

[1957wildcat]

Originally Posted by CharlotteFirebird

Limit Pontiac and Buick to 5 each.

Buick only has 3 now!

However many, each vehicle must be competitive and, hopefully, class-leading.

[S1L1SC]

A good 5 model Pontiac lineup would be:

2 Door large sports car (GTO or Firebird)

4 Door large sports sedan (G8 - different versions such as sedan, wagon, ST, as long as they share the same parts/platform there wouldn't be too much extra cost involve).

4 Door midsize sedan (G6 - currently needs a new model badly. Sedan, Coupe, Convertible)

4 Door small sedan (Vibe? G5? Neither one really fits)

2 door small sports car (Solstice roadster & coupe)

All of the above marketed under the sport/excitement aspect. No Suv, No Minivan. Depending on demand more variants could be added on the existing platforms (G8 Sedan/ST is a good example of this).

[Grizzlor]

I am a prospective car buyer, and I can afford a new one, but I'm not buying a Pontiac until they bring back the Trans Am. The thought that Pontiac is going to branch outside of its historic niche? It's possible the G8 can do it, but not on my dime. If I'm going to get a gas guzzler, it better be something extreme, in 2 doors.

As for the article from autoweek, sheesh, that sounds like Pontiac is definitely headed for the mothballs. Is it impossible to do a high performance hybrid, or is GM that far in bed with big oil?

[mrgto]

Originally Posted by Grizzlor

I am a prospective car buyer, and I can afford a new one, but I'm not buying a Pontiac until they bring back the Trans Am. The thought that Pontiac is going to branch outside of its historic niche? It's possible the G8 can do it, but not on my dime. If I'm going to get a gas guzzler, it better be something extreme, in 2 doors.

As for the article from autoweek, sheesh, that sounds like Pontiac is definitely headed for the mothballs. Is it impossible to do a high performance hybrid, or is GM that far in bed with big oil?

They are NOT bringing it back..

[S1L1SC]

Originally Posted by mrgto

They are NOT bringing it back..

Or they might just be saying that... Only time will tell.

(Their not bringing it back in the immediate future...)

[CadiEldo67]

Originally Posted by S1L1SC

A good 5 model Pontiac lineup would be:

2 Door large sports car (GTO or Firebird)

4 Door large sports sedan (G8 - different versions such as sedan, wagon, ST, as long as they share the same parts/platform there wouldn't be too much extra cost involve).

4 Door midsize sedan (G6 - currently needs a new model badly. Sedan, Coupe, Convertible)

4 Door small sedan (Vibe? G5? Neither one really fits)

2 door small sports car (Solstice roadster & coupe)

All of the above marketed under the sport/excitement aspect. No Suv, No Minivan. Depending on demand more variants could be added on the existing platforms (G8 Sedan/ST is a good example of this).

I would make the smaller 4 door sedan based on the Solstice. I think it would look amazing personally, and it would limit Pontiac's lineup to just 3 models, the Solstice/G6/G8 each with a coupe/convertible/sedan/and sport ute for G8.

[OLDSCHOOLGMFAN]

Pontiac's biggest mistakes of this decade:

Eliminating the Firebird.
Eliminating the Bonneville.
Eliminating the Grand Am.
Eliminating the Grand Prix.

The G6 is ugly.
The G8 is ugly and too small.

Frankly, if Pontiac disappeared tomorrow it would be good riddance from me. The only good car they have left is the Grand Prix, and they are killing that at the end of this year.

So eliminate this dumb division already, I do not care.

[OLDSCHOOLGMFAN]

So Pontiac may be the "performance" division with small, fuel efficient, four-cylinder turbo high-revvers? Yes, we all know how much American car buyers LOVE those vehicles from GM over the imports right?


Bye Pontiac.

[Ming]

4 unique vehicles, rebadged for each of the 3 brands, sitting on the same BPG dealer lots.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

But seriously, it's good news, as long as they avoid the dreaded Enclave / Acadia, Terraza / Montana SV6 type overlap.

[OLDSCHOOLGMFAN]

Originally Posted by 04bonnie

It's obvious that people are passionate about their certain brands being cancelled. Oldsmobile went away and people didn't necessarily move to other GM divisions. I think Pontiac should have gotten the Firebird, and Chevy shouldn't have the Camaro. It's got the Corvette, so that's one performance car, why does Chevy need two? Then, Buick has the best Lambda design, according to many different opinion polls, so why do people say Buick should get the axe? I think they should get rid of Hummer, and Saab. And get rid of the huge high dollar SUV's that no one can afford anyway. Why do we need an Escalade that stickers for up to $70K? Get rid of those gas hogs. Keep the Tahoe for Chevy, have GMC get the Suburban (extended length Yukon), both Chevy and GMC don't need both lenghts. Get rid of the Escalades. Get rid of some of those, and it would leave more dollars to focus on Pontiac and Buick, and get some real distinction between the brands. OR, cut out the divisions all together, and just call everything GM. GM Lambda, GM Delta, etc. (or different names, who cares) Just have GM and have one or maybe two tops of every platform. For example: Have one Lambda, and you could choose sheetmetal design. (The Saturn/GMC "look", or the Chevy/Buick "look") I know this is radical thinking, and I for one wouldn't be 100% for that idea, but it would be better than killing off Pontiac or Buick. What would that leave? Chevy, then jump up to Buick...or Chevy, Pontiac, then jump up to Cadillac? That's kind of nuts. Get Saturn back to making only small cars, and maybe one SUV. And cut out the no haggle price garbage. That worked when they had totally different vehicles, but now who will buy the Outlook on no haggle price when they can get the Acadia, very similar, and price negotiate. Let Hummer go, those ugly box gas hogs that cost a fortune are not that popular now. I think the brands that have been around for the longest should stay, they have nastagia and people can say "My dad, grandpa, etc. used to own a Pontiac _____"

I've always been a Pontiac buyer, and now am considering a Buick Enclave. Now, people say kill either Pontiac or Buick, of course it upsets me, and others. Just because there won't be a Firebird, doesn't mean Pontiac should get the axe. That's crazy. Besides, people don't want rebadges, so why would a Firebird be anything different?

I agree with a lot of what you say, especially about the big, dumb suvs.

[OLDSCHOOLGMFAN]

Originally Posted by zete

When was the last time someone thought "performance" and Pontiac? I mean, really? Not lately and probably not for at least 10 or 20 years. It's been downhill performance-wise since the 80s. It's been just brutal.

And I refuse to jump up and down and raise my blood pressure solely on an article on what might happen.

I don't understand. Pontiac had a great lineup in the 1990s. The Firebird sat at the top as the modern Musclecar, and the Bonneville, Grand Prix, Grand Am and Sunfire were all good FWD performance cars.


Pontiac's lineup is a joke now, except for the Grand Prix, which the idiots are dropping next year. I will NEVER buy a new Pontiac again. That was the last straw after them killing the Firebird and then the Bonne. Them killing the Grand Am pissed me off too. Damned fools.

[OLDSCHOOLGMFAN]

Originally Posted by maherj2

testing my avatar

How come I cannot put all three of my cars under my avatar?