2009 Pontiac G8 Loses Aux. Gauges

[PA Dweller]

Originally Posted by nsap

Four years? That isn't the word I hear....

Less?

[RedVee8]

Originally Posted by SAngelo

GM, please give this car the optional Navigation screen for 2009. What is the reluctance of this car manufacturer of putting Navigation screens in their cars except Caddy's, the Lucernes and SUV's ?? Are you going to use the same excuse used as with the Epsilons which I think is ludicrous.

Come on GM !!!!

Come on GM !!!!

Come on GM !!!!

Come on GM !!!!

Come on GM !!!!

Commodore has Nav, but the screen is too low for the US.
The Commodore also has a nav system without a screen called 'turn by turn' or similar. The display is in the instrument cluster and displays a street name and a whopping big arrow showing left or right. no good? you need a screen display of maps? Wouldnt the full display be (more) distracting?

[DuSpinnst]

Originally Posted by Bravada

Nav could do wonders for the perception of the vehicles - and that needs to be taken into account (strictly speaking), while I don't think GM does so.

Also, the unwillingness to give even a simple brush-up to one of the most important platforms indicates GM's perhaps excessive tight-fistedness. GM needs to find a way to make such investment less costly, rather than avoid it. This one step ahead, two steps back approach is why so many people STILL won't consider a GM vehicle in the US, and why Opel is still playing second fiddle to VW.

Based on your logic GM should have shelved the new Malibu update and brought out Epsilon II a year earlier, because that is the only other option.

Either way someone would be bitching up a storm, and either way those someones would be the same bunch of people here.

[PA Dweller]

Originally Posted by DuSpinnst

Based on your logic GM should have shelved the new Malibu update and brought out Epsilon II a year earlier, because that is the only other option.

Either way someone would be bitching up a storm, and either way those someones would be the same bunch of people here.

It wouldn't of been a big deal if GM didn't cut corners and designed Epsilon I to support things like a in dash navigation system, and a rear armrest. They dropped the ball just admit it.

[teamkiwiracing]

Are the changes gonna be look a bit like this>>>>

[Bravada]

Based on your logic GM should have shelved the new Malibu update and brought out Epsilon II a year earlier, because that is the only other option.

You mean the only change between Epsilon and Epsilon II will be the wiring, and it takes two years to change it? Somehow, I don't believe you. Toyota has done that "on-the-fly" for the ailing Avensis.

[lam]

Originally Posted by PA Dweller

It wouldn't of been a big deal if GM didn't cut corners and designed Epsilon I to support things like a in dash navigation system, and a rear armrest. They dropped the ball just admit it.

So you are bitching about a decision made on Epsilon I.

When the facts are:

1) The two main people behind the decision no longer work for GM.

2)That decision on Epsilon I was made nearly one decade ago.

3)Epsilon I is at the END of its life.

You can't get into a time machine and go back into the 90's and change a decision on a platform that's near the end of its life.

[lam]

Originally Posted by PA Dweller

Less?

Less than 30 months away.

[EGG]

I do wonder a bit why they put the Nav screen too low for US in the VE, if that is the reason. You would have thought'd they'd do a bit of research.

[nsap]

Originally Posted by lam

So you are bitching about a decision made on Epsilon I.

When the facts are:

1) The two main people behind the decision no longer work for GM.

2)That decision on Epsilon I was made nearly one decade ago.

3)Epsilon I is at the END of its life.

You can't get into a time machine and go back into the 90's and change a decision on a platform that's near the end of its life.

Exactly. Finally someone that understands the logic of such situations.

Originally Posted by lam

Less than 30 months away.

Ah, so I am not the only one hearing this...

[DuSpinnst]

Originally Posted by Bravada

You mean the only change between Epsilon and Epsilon II will be the wiring, and it takes two years to change it? Somehow, I don't believe you. Toyota has done that "on-the-fly" for the ailing Avensis.

The number of changes is irrelevant.

[Bravada]

It really isn't. Toyota didn't wait for generational change to supplant the old, steam-powered plants with VVTis in the mid-life of the previous lacklustre Corolla and Avensis, and GM can't change the stupid wiring to make their cars look remotely contemporary? Come on, manufacturers change more grave stuff even late in the models' run, and the Epsilons are certainly models important enough for even a one-model-year change to make sense. Is GM Chrysler or what?

[PA Dweller]

Originally Posted by lam

So you are bitching about a decision made on Epsilon I.

When the facts are:

1) The two main people behind the decision no longer work for GM.

2)That decision on Epsilon I was made nearly one decade ago.

3)Epsilon I is at the END of its life.

You can't get into a time machine and go back into the 90's and change a decision on a platform that's near the end of its life.

Bitching? No, telling it as it is. GM's competitors didn't have an issue offering these features in their current vehicles. So yes GM dropped the ball, maybe not the people that are running the company now, but this was still an error on the part of the leadership. Be it past or present.

Originally Posted by lam

Less than 30 months away.

Well I guess 2 1/2 years is better than 4 years.

[vcs2600]

I know when I'm shopping for cars, the decision-making process of hardworking GM beancounters is on the top of my mind.

[DuSpinnst]

Originally Posted by Bravada

It really isn't. Toyota didn't wait for generational change to supplant the old, steam-powered plants with VVTis in the mid-life of the previous lacklustre Corolla and Avensis, and GM can't change the stupid wiring to make their cars look remotely contemporary? Come on, manufacturers change more grave stuff even late in the models' run, and the Epsilons are certainly models important enough for even a one-model-year change to make sense. Is GM Chrysler or what?

They could have changed the electronics network, but what is the point on an old platform? There isn't one, that suggestion would have pushed back Epsilon II at least 2 years.