2009 Pontiac G8 GXP Power Bumped to 415hp/415ftlbs

[johnstarnes]

Originally Posted by hercman

Sounds promising. But I've yet to see a demand for the G8. I can count on one hand the number of G8s I've seen running around town since it's release. I see more sitting on the lots then on the roads.

Not looking good. Also I haven't seen many commercials either. But I can't turn the channell without seeing a Malibu/Silverado commercial.

I've seen just two here in Tampa since it came out. "Pontiac is Car".

[PA Dweller]

Originally Posted by sphinxrb

Thats great. I hope it has a Navigation system, otherwise, it's not for me. I currently have a '05 Grand Prix GXP, that would be the main option I would like on my next car.

I agree, no excuse such an expensive car can't offer this option. I would also like to see a HUD.

Originally Posted by texassierradude

Those of you of the "just gotta have the nav" mindset really should give the OnStar Directions and Connections plan a try before plunking down some $2K on a nav. It renders nav totally obsolete, unless you are just a techie or gotta have what the neighbors/co-workers have. Nav kinda reminds me of the "talking" Chryslers and Nissans of the mid 80's....a fad.

You think you and your ilk can stop jamming the On Star/Tack on navigation crap down our throats? You can say it a million more times, but a car made in this era, at this price, and in this class should offer the option. Plus as you see a demand for it exist.

Originally Posted by Stewie007

For those who want to wine and cry about nav systems...

You mean like the people who whined and moaned about the G8 not offer a manual transmission? I guess when it's a feature you want you don't perceive it as complaining.

[TAMark]

Originally Posted by dracleath

I always want to ask people who complain about lack of nav if they've never heard of best buy. It's honestly like complaining about lack of ipod support.

I haven't seen G8's doing particularly bad in NC, the dealers around here say they've been selling about 1 a week, which is not bad as they only keep 3 or 4 on the lot at a time (and one of the ones which was there for a long time was orange).


GM said their goal was to match the 25,000 unit sales per year of the grand prix. 9600 on 6 months of sales, one of which availibility was very limited, is not that bad.

The GP was selling way more than 25K per year. More like 90K. Granted, many of those were fleet sales. If you look at August sales the biggest factor in Pontiac's 34% decline from last August was the loss of all the GP sales. 9990 August 2007 versus 374 last month. G8 will never make up for lost GP sales.

[dracleath]

Originally Posted by TAMark

The GP was selling way more than 25K per year. More like 90K. Granted, many of those were fleet sales. If you look at August sales the biggest factor in Pontiac's 34% decline from last August was the loss of all the GP sales. 9990 August 2007 versus 374 last month. G8 will never make up for lost GP sales.

If by many of those sales you mean 77%, then yeah many of the GP's sales were fleet sales. The G8 is specifically not a fleet sale car, and GM was aiming for sales that equalled the GP's to actual end customers, which was around 25,000. Which they are on target to hit or nearly hit for the first full year of availibility in a down year.

GM is dumping plenty of of other cars into fleets, you can be sure they're not missing those 60k or so Grand Prixs per year.

[MisterMe]

Originally Posted by 1487

... THere is no nav option and I wouldnt expect that to change any time soon. It's obvious GM isnt that interested in offering nav on non luxury cars.

For all of the talk about the Holden Commodore being a "World Car," it is not. It is an Australian car that GM exports to other parts of the World. The lack of built-in navigation is a result of Holden engineering decisions. The G8 will not have an in-dash navigation system until the car is reengineered to accommodate it.

With the price of fuel through the roof and the USA-AUS dollar exchange rate through the floor, the prospects of a next-generation G8 are dim. We will likely never see a G8 with built-in navigation.

[Desert Rat]

Just install a redneck Nav unit...

[BBDOS CV8]

Originally Posted by MisterMe

For all of the talk about the Holden Commodore being a "World Car," it is not. It is an Australian car that GM exports to other parts of the World. The lack of built-in navigation is a result of Holden engineering decisions. The G8 will not have an in-dash navigation system until the car is reengineered to accommodate it.

With the price of fuel through the roof and the USA-AUS dollar exchange rate through the floor, the prospects of a next-generation G8 are dim. We will likely never see a G8 with built-in navigation.

Really? What do you call this: chopped liver? You have this genuine Holden unit in Oz for ~ $1600US.


You can even have turn-by-turn mono voice units fitted to the central MFD unit:



Again, you're misleading people with negative untruths. Terrible case of Not Invented Here syndrome with everything you post about the VE/G8.

Holden had Satnav available in Australia within weeks of launch of VE in 2006 - it's a common unit used in cars in Europe and Asia in a similar position. The US plays by it's own rules like with crash safety, GSM mobile phones and so many other areas - not Holden's fault.

Holden puts whatever GM US tells them to in the cars. They sell Satnavs in a trickle here, so presumably they're that's same everywhere. It is not as big a dealbreaker as probably the lack of manual trans on the V6 and GT.

The Commodore may not be a perfect 'world car'. Fine. Name a GM America car able to be sold in as many markets? Other than the CTS which is currently in three/four of the five/six the Commodore is, there is none.

Nearly all the people on this board who complain about Satnav availability would never ever consider a RWD muscle sedan in the first place.

[buick59]

Originally Posted by BBDOS CV8

Really? What do you call this: chopped liver? You have this genuine Holden unit in Oz for ~ $1600US.


You can even have turn-by-turn mono voice units fitted to the central MFD unit:



Again, you're misleading people with negative untruths. Terrible case of Not Invented Here syndrome with everything you post about the VE/G8.

Holden had Satnav available in Australia within weeks of launch of VE in 2006 - it's a common unit used in cars in Europe and Asia in a similar position. The US plays by it's own rules like with crash safety, GSM mobile phones and so many other areas - not Holden's fault.

Holden puts whatever GM US tells them to in the cars. They sell Satnavs in a trickle here, so presumably they're that's same everywhere. It is not as big a dealbreaker as probably the lack of manual trans on the V6 and GT.

The Commodore may not be a perfect 'world car'. Fine. Name a GM America car able to be sold in as many markets? Other than the CTS which is currently in three/four of the five/six the Commodore is, there is none.

Nearly all the people on this board who complain about Satnav availability would never ever consider a RWD muscle sedan in the first place.

Well I consider my 09 GT a great car. No, it does not have nav but that's not why i bought the car. I bought for its looks and performance. BTW, I remember reading a few months ago that the reason why there is no nav is that the slot where it is in the Holden is considered too low for goofy American standards. My dealer told me that most of their customers at this point don't want the nav. Maybe he is lying I don't know.

[wescoent]

Wow. For a second when I saw the title, I saw G6 GXP gets 415hp, and I was excited. GM ACTUALLY did something cool and shocking with Pontiac.

[stevecmh]

nice..

to bad gaas is soo high

[CATHOLICJACK]

Originally Posted by BBDOS CV8

Really? What do you call this: chopped liver? You have this genuine Holden unit in Oz for ~ $1600US.


You can even have turn-by-turn mono voice units fitted to the central MFD unit:



Again, you're misleading people with negative untruths. Terrible case of Not Invented Here syndrome with everything you post about the VE/G8.

Holden had Satnav available in Australia within weeks of launch of VE in 2006 - it's a common unit used in cars in Europe and Asia in a similar position. The US plays by it's own rules like with crash safety, GSM mobile phones and so many other areas - not Holden's fault.

Holden puts whatever GM US tells them to in the cars. They sell Satnavs in a trickle here, so presumably they're that's same everywhere. It is not as big a dealbreaker as probably the lack of manual trans on the V6 and GT.

The Commodore may not be a perfect 'world car'. Fine. Name a GM America car able to be sold in as many markets? Other than the CTS which is currently in three/four of the five/six the Commodore is, there is none.

Nearly all the people on this board who complain about Satnav availability would never ever consider a RWD muscle sedan in the first place.

I beleive that a NAV option would help the sales of the G8. Maybe get some Lexus or Audi people to buy Pontiac?

[CATHOLICJACK]

Originally Posted by JerryL

Come on people.........complaining about Nav on a $35,000, 415 HP performance sedan??
With the money you saved over the competition you could hire a guide.
The specs on this car just keep getting better and better.

Did GM release the price for the G8 GXP?

[MisterMe]

Originally Posted by BBDOS CV8

Really? What do you call this: chopped liver? You have this genuine Holden unit in Oz for ~ $1600US.


You can even have turn-by-turn mono voice units fitted to the central MFD unit:



Again, you're misleading people with negative untruths. ...

The Commodore may not be a perfect 'world car'. Fine. ...

The car featured on your post is not a current model Commodore. No number of excuses will change the fact that built-in navigation has been precluded from the Zeta-based Holden Commodore/Pontiac G8 by Holden engineering decisions. Its exclusion from a 2008 model 30,000 USD car is inexcusable.

[Black AH CDX]

Originally Posted by MisterMe

The car featured on your post is not a current model Commodore. No number of excuses will change the fact that built-in navigation has been precluded from the Zeta-based Holden Commodore/Pontiac G8 by Holden engineering decisions. Its exclusion from a 2008 model 30,000 USD car is inexcusable.

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

The car shown in his pic IS a current model Zeta based Holden. In this case a Statesman or Caprice (LWB ZETA).

SAT NAV IS available for the Commodore.

Here's a link for you to Holden's website showing you the option for the Commodore.

http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/...4006&bitmask=1


Now get back in your box you dumbass American

[91fairladyZ]

Originally Posted by Black AH CDX

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

The car shown in his pic IS a current model Zeta based Holden. In this case a Statesman or Caprice (LWB ZETA).

SAT NAV IS available for the Commodore.

Here's a link for you to Holden's website showing you the option for the Commodore.

http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/...4006&bitmask=1


Now get back in your box you dumbass American

The above poster worded it badly, but the car the poster was talking about is the Holden based G8.

We do have a nice box over here though...