Z/28 Back On?

[Tone]

For those of us who think the Z/28 should be something a bit lighter and more in keeping with the original's big power in a small motor package, GM has built what we want -- for Jay Leno.

See SEMA Camaro with a twin-turbo, 425 hp 3.6 v6 and a really nice styling package. Twist the boost to a bit more than the conservative 7 psi and voila -- instant Z/28!

See http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/03/s...inst-ecoboost/

['91 Formula]

Do we have any idea at all what the new Z28 is going to cost?

[ptviperz]

Originally Posted by '91 Formula

Do we have any idea at all what the new Z28 is going to cost?

Someone said ~50K

Insane in my book.

[silvergoat2k6]

Originally Posted by '91 Formula

Do we have any idea at all what the new Z28 is going to cost?

Seeing that some dealers around here are asking almost $50K for loaded SS models, I can only imagine the dealer markups that are going to be put on any Z28 that may come out...we could be looking at a $70K Camaro.

[red_rider]

Originally Posted by silvergoat2k6

Seeing that some dealers around here are asking almost $50K for loaded SS models, I can only imagine the dealer markups that are going to be put on any Z28 that may come out...we could be looking at a $70K Camaro.

That's CTS-V territory

[Klay]

Originally Posted by JBsZ06

How does anybody know the existing camaro SS is NOT built to be ready to handle 550hp?

How does anybody know how much extra weight the upcoming z28 is going to carry?

Yet the ford fans keep ranting on and on about how their imaginary soon to updated Ford Mustang Gt500 is going to be a better vehicle..


The ford mustang hasn't beat the camaro SS in soooo many years...why would the year the Z28 comes all of a sudden ford finally gets the product right?

Fords been playing catch up to GM performance cars such as the camaro Z28 or camaro SS for decades...

the 540 hp GT500 isn't beating the 31 grand camaro SS...I really doubt the upcoming 550hp Z28 will be beat by the never seen "imaginery mustang"..

Don't get me wrong..I like the mustang...I just tend to consider who in their right minds goes to another forum to tell people...a car that isn't even out yet is a loser..

I would never imagine going to a ford site and ramble on about how the new yet to be released Mustang is second best to a yet to be released camaro...

Of course many of us are biased towards GM products...I know I am...and if by some surprise the ford is the better vehicle.. or even if it weren't..I would never go and rant about it on a Ford site..

The guys over there obviously like ford vehicles better and for that alone I would respect their forum...their cars and their choices..

that being said..this is a GM site...Ford Mustangs suck!!! (kidding of course)

They really are both great cars.. and both ford fans and GM fans are really lucky to have such great vehicles to chose from..

You have repeated this line many many times throughout this thread but I'm guessing you didn't bother to see if it is even true.

A quick search on google and I can easily find that the GT500 is putting up much better numbers in the 1/4 mile than the camaro SS. As per Motortrend:

12.7 sec @ 118.1 mph *Traction limited by low ambient and track temperatures. -Motortrend

12.9 sec (no mph given) -Car and Driver

11.78 sec @ ~119 mph -Muscle Mustang and Fast Fords

12.6 sec (no mph given) -Popular Mechanics

For comparison, here is the Camaro SS:

13.0 sec @ 111 mph -Popular Mechanics

13.0 sec @ 111 mph -Car and Driver

13.0 sec @ 111.1 mph -Road and Track

While the camaro is pretty consistant at low 13's (I'm sure high 12's are doable.) The GT500 is capable of high 11's in its current form!

Plus, your whole rant is really off the deepend anyway since those who are debating with you aren't even focused on 1/4 mile times, they were more concerned with how the car would handle.

I personally have no problem with the Z/28 as it is rumored to be coming but I can see why others might be bothered by the excess weight. The GT500 received similar criticism albeit much more harshly.

[JBsZ06]

I don't see how 12.9 vs 13.0 et is MUCH BETTER? 12.7 vs 13.0? Zero to 60 times.. that I've seen roll at 4.5 seconds for the fast ford..

Its fast..don't get me wrong...I just don't see the launch benefit of the live axle with street tires that motivated ford to keep it. (maybe its excellent for drag radials since it doesn't break easily?)

I really do like the new mustang.. I liked the old mustang.. Do I prefer GM products? yes...and thats why I'm on this site.

I'd personally order up a 31 grand camaro SS anyday of the week. (I don't care about the other interior options etc) and when I stopped by a ford dealer and saw a lot of 49 to 51 grand Mustang supercharged vehicles.. Thats a lot of dough..

I'm sure its worth every penny but for my hard earned cash...I'd buy the camaro SS stripped for 31 g's and if the Camaro Z/28 was available....I'd probably do the same thing.

Either way...having a choice of the z/28, sS , Ford GT500 or the upcoming ford Mustang GT is what its all about...

Pick your poison and enjoy! Thats the kicker...thas all that matters...

Get the hot rod that you like! We're lucky we have the choices.

Originally Posted by Klay

You have repeated this line many many times throughout this thread but I'm guessing you didn't bother to see if it is even true.

A quick search on google and I can easily find that the GT500 is putting up much better numbers in the 1/4 mile than the camaro SS. As per Motortrend:

12.7 sec @ 118.1 mph *Traction limited by low ambient and track temperatures. -Motortrend

12.9 sec (no mph given) -Car and Driver

11.78 sec @ ~119 mph -Muscle Mustang and Fast Fords

12.6 sec (no mph given) -Popular Mechanics

For comparison, here is the Camaro SS:

13.0 sec @ 111 mph -Popular Mechanics

13.0 sec @ 111 mph -Car and Driver

13.0 sec @ 111.1 mph -Road and Track

While the camaro is pretty consistant at low 13's (I'm sure high 12's are doable.) The GT500 is capable of high 11's in its current form!

Plus, your whole rant is really off the deepend anyway since those who are debating with you aren't even focused on 1/4 mile times, they were more concerned with how the car would handle.

I personally have no problem with the Z/28 as it is rumored to be coming but I can see why others might be bothered by the excess weight. The GT500 received similar criticism albeit much more harshly.

[Ambalanche]

Originally Posted by chakis24

im watching the behind the scenes on transformers 2 and everyone who refers to the car refers to it as the z/28. and that car above looks like bumblebee. id have to agree.

If you go to Chevy's Camaro site and watch the video's there, one of the engineers talks about the Z28.

[Klay]

Originally Posted by JBsZ06

I don't see how 12.9 vs 13.0 et is MUCH BETTER? 12.7 vs 13.0? Zero to 60 times.. that I've seen roll at 4.5 seconds for the fast ford..

Its fast..don't get me wrong...I just don't see the launch benefit of the live axle with street tires that motivated ford to keep it. (maybe its excellent for drag radials since it doesn't break easily?)

I really do like the new mustang.. I liked the old mustang.. Do I prefer GM products? yes...and thats why I'm on this site.

I'd personally order up a 31 grand camaro SS anyday of the week. (I don't care about the other interior options etc) and when I stopped by a ford dealer and saw a lot of 49 to 51 grand Mustang supercharged vehicles.. Thats a lot of dough..

I'm sure its worth every penny but for my hard earned cash...I'd buy the camaro SS stripped for 31 g's and if the Camaro Z/28 was available....I'd probably do the same thing.

Either way...having a choice of the z/28, sS , Ford GT500 or the upcoming ford Mustang GT is what its all about...

Pick your poison and enjoy! Thats the kicker...thas all that matters...

Get the hot rod that you like! We're lucky we have the choices.

Honestly, are you really going to keep saying this same line when I just SHOWED you that 12.9 vs 13.0 is not the NORM? The gt500 has gone 11.78!

Is 11.78 vs 13.0 much faster? Just a side note, I believe the camaro has gone 12.8 as its fastest time from actual owners while I think the Gt500 has gone 12.0 (not sure) with its owners.

Plus, you are fixated on 0-60 times when the traps give a better indication of which car is faster. 111 mph vs 117 mph is pretty significant.

[JerryL]

How about Mustang GT vs. Camaro SS performance ?? That is the current real world comparison. GT-500 is in C6 Vette territory costwise. We'll know more when the Z28 approaches reality, but I'd bet on the Camaro Z28 being a better package. Tuner Camaros like Lingenfelter and Hennesey builds are closer to the GT500's market and they show how quickly any performance gap can be erased.