Rumormill: Suburban, Escalade ESV moving to Lambda

[Highlander]

Wow.. Hope this swings around. Talk about abondoning a market segment. I for one have been looking for a BOF SUV to tow my camper (8000 lbs) and have more people room than my Silverado Crew Cab. I know many others with similar circumstances. Very sad that consumer choice is being killed by government fear-mongering (sp?) with CAFE.
I think we're allowed to possibly over-react. I think that's what GM's doing in some of these cases.
Also, it's not adding another platform. Either this shares with the Lambda or it shares with the GMT-900 replacement. Either way it's sharing.

[AMcA]

Originally Posted by prototype66

good god!
A lambda minivan!
A novel idea, why didnt anyone else think of that!

Big mistake, if you ask me. Chrysler's been improving and refining its minivan architecture since 1983, or thereabouts.

To ditch it now, and all they've learned, would be a huge mistake.

Continuing a platform that's moving several hundred thousand units a year shouldn't be that big a problem, given the huge re-engineering that's going to be required to do a Lambda minivan.

[Rocket 88]

Originally Posted by jmlee0695

let me ask you this. IF GM gets Lambda II to tow 10,000 lbs and be able to go off road without breaking a sweat,will you still be crying? I know, stupid question,if GM cured cancer,youd all say "What took them so long" youll never be happy

If GM cured cancer I'd ask them: "How the F$@# can you cure cancer, but you can't run a profitable company?" or "How the F$@# can you cure cancer, but not properly manage 8 brands?" or "How can you cure cancer, but loose your shirt in that deal with FIAT???" or ...

Anyway, GM can cure cancer easily by cutting out Rick Wagoner...
CHEAP SHOT... I admit it.

[American_Muscle]

Originally Posted by WishIhadatruck

Only BOF suv's can drive in the snow?

anything can if you know how to drive it right, i was refering more to the 4x4, more ground clearance, heavier, more powerful, etc. and just the overall ease of it. I've pulled way more cars and none BOF suvs out of the snow then i have other trucks (unless only 2x4) or bigger tahoe-like SUV's

[eaton53]

Originally Posted by XP300

It's been announced that for the 2016 model year, the Corvette will be switched to the Lambda platform. As of 2014, the Corvette was the only GM vehicle not utilizing that platform, costing the company hundreds of dollars.

GM's new CEO Buickman announced the platform change while delivering cars under the new "All Cars Delivered by the CEO" program. Tomorrow he will be delivering new lambda's in Grants New Mexico.

In related news GM announced they will be buying exotic car maker Lamborghini and moving all of their vehicles to the Lambda platform.
To celebrate the event GM will be renaming the brand Lambdaghini and making it eligible for the Employee Discount Red Tags and Transformers For Everyone sale.

[prototype66]

You guys crack me up sometimes!
I'll just wait and see .

[prototype66]

Originally Posted by eaton53

In related news GM announced they will be buying exotic car maker Lamborghini and moving all of their vehicles to the Lambda platform.
GM also announced that to celebrate the event GM will be renaming the brand Lambdaghini.

[Caleb02]

if gm does get chrysler and gm moves it to lambada that will be the end of caravan for sure. It is a fact that Dodge Caravan & Chrysler Town and Country are the best in class. GM would need to build on that platform and to keep stow in go and swival and go and also allow for both options. I think the lampada platform will be bad for caravan as gm has had a bad record with minivans, dustbusters anyone.

[Caleb02]

Originally Posted by KingElvis

This whole theory about evil CAFE killing the Suburban doesn't make much sense when you consider that the 8500lb GVWR class is still not regulated under CAFE.

They could make the suburban a 3/4 ton only - it would then have roughly 2500lbs cargo capacity (consider its vaunted 9 passenger capacity already accounts for about 1500lbs of that payload).

Could it actually be that the choice was made based on actual demand of what the typical buyer wants needs rather than appealling to the 'old school' gearhead?

that loop hole of 8500lb gvwr has been closed with the 35mph cafe standards.

[TJ95GAGT]

Originally Posted by Caleb02

if gm does get chrysler and gm moves it to lambada that will be the end of caravan for sure. It is a fact that Dodge Caravan & Chrysler Town and Country are the best in class. GM would need to build on that platform and to keep stow in go and swival and go and also allow for both options. I think the lampada platform will be bad for caravan as gm has had a bad record with minivans, dustbusters anyone.

That shows just how stupid GM is. They want to take the Chrysler vans which are class leading and change them to Lambda. They also want to take thier own class leading BOF SUV's and change them to Lambda. Two class leading offerings and they want to change them? Whats next moving the Corvette to EpsilonII?

Rather than wasting money on potentially changing two class leading offerings shouldn't GM be focusing on getting other segments to challenge for class leading? They already offer 4 7/8 passenger crossovers, why do we need atleast 3 more? Isn't the Equinox also getting a 3rd row?

[KingElvis]

Originally Posted by Caleb02

that loop hole of 8500lb gvwr has been closed with the 35mph cafe standards.

I follow this pretty closely. My understanding was that the 35mpg was for both cars and trucks, rather than having 'light trucks' get a special lower standard all to themselves.

But the over 8500lbs gvwr class has NEVER been regulated by CAFE - hence it's still only '1/2 tons' that have any standard applied at all.

If you have a link or info re the 8500lb thing, I'd like to check it out.

[goblue]

Originally Posted by prototype66

You guys crack me up sometimes!
I'll just wait and see .

I know, what a bunch of whiners! Its like some of you really believe we're ever going back to the 90s. The only reason gas is dropping is because we're in a severe recession and no one is buying cars anyway. When we exit the recession - gas will shoot right back up.

The days of the middle class towing travel trailers all over the country are over. The days of putting gas in a boat that needs a Suburban to tow it are over for the middle class - let alone actually towing it or purchasing it.

Wake up. Everything is changing. Life isn't going to be the same. More camping out of crossovers or gasp, stationwagons. More staying close to home with the family.

So, what about those with money? Well guess what - they've been staying at the lodge or driving motorhomes that cost more than the average home.

If by chance I'm wrong - GM is not abandoning the truck platform. They can put a box back on the Silverado very quickly - Suburban reborn!

[member12]

Originally Posted by Caleb02

people will need to rethink how they drive and they use of their autos with the new 35 cafe standards. People will need to realize that they should keep their boat at the dock and not at home, that horses should be kept where they are shown.

Right On! Let's let the government dictate yet a little more about our lives.

**** CAFE. I'm switching to an exempt vehicle next time...like a 3/4 ton Suburban (a real one, not a panty waste crossover).

[Caleb02]

Originally Posted by TJ95GAGT

That shows just how stupid GM is. They want to take the Chrysler vans which are class leading and change them to Lambda. They also want to take thier own class leading BOF SUV's and change them to Lambda. Two class leading offerings and they want to change them? Whats next moving the Corvette to EpsilonII?

Rather than wasting money on potentially changing two class leading offerings shouldn't GM be focusing on getting other segments to challenge for class leading? They already offer 4 7/8 passenger crossovers, why do we need atleast 3 more? Isn't the Equinox also getting a 3rd row?

i heard nothing is off the table including FWD for the Corvette, think WRX 2 door. I did hear that GM may bring back the Chevette also known as the t-cars. The reason is that the investment is paid for, so all they have to do is an interror update for the dashboard and then use an airbag, and thats a small investment. Rumor is the Corvette might be on the t models as well since part of its name is vette!

[johnny smallblock]

Originally Posted by TJ95GAGT

They already offer 4 7/8 passenger crossovers, why do we need atleast 3 more? Isn't the Equinox also getting a 3rd row?

I thought GM wasn't supposed to tell people what they want? Just offer everything in the whole wide world and simply lose money until the world makes up it's mind. Right?

Based on the market, most people who spend the money on a CUV or SUV want a 3rd row. Otherwise, they're really just buying a tall sedan.