Rumormill: Suburban, Escalade ESV moving to Lambda

[GMFreak8]

Originally Posted by ponchoman49

America has been on the decline for years starting in the 70's with the oil fiasco. All the decisions made up to this point have been either hair brained like the 5.7 GM diesel of the 70's and early 80's, the Vega with it's aluminum cylinder liners, the Pinto which exploded if you sneezed on it's bumper, the rot as you drive Toyotas and Hondas etc or stupid like tan black or gray only interior color choices of this dreadful decade or the "lets strip everything off the sides of our vehicles so they all look like plain generic stripo base cheap clone models". This news takes the cake as being the single most stupid asinine decision every made by a car company and really just tells me that GM won't be around much longer as a full car manufacturer.

When will the madness of this horrific decade stop!

I feel as though I should bow down and kiss your feet. AMEN!!!

[Caleb02]

Originally Posted by nailhead425

Yeah, don't take it off-road, or expect it to stop with a load.
By that logic an Aveo is a perfect family car.



Nope, over 8600 lbs are still exempt.
Light trucks have a weight, payload and footprint average that hurts HHRs and helps Diesel 1/2 tons.
When Gov't types and media talking heads discuss the truck loophole, they mean car based minivans that the EPA classifies as trucks.

the aveo would be the perfect family car as it seats four and i think it even comes with a standard 3 cyl. engine. Why would you have a "load" in your auto unless you mean in your pants.... All cars should be on one platform and should be no bigger then a compact car. For those with a family then you should have planned better and realized that your car only seats 4. For a family bigger then that they should have to pay an excess carbon usage fee of $10,000 per year to register a bigger car then that of a compact like a cobalt or ford focus. If they want a Suburban then they should have to pay even more like $29,999.99 per year in extra fees. Gm small cars from Korean are perfect and they should base all future autos off of them or bring back the orginal cavileer and make that the basis for all new autos as that platform is paid for....

[northernmi]

My 07 is my third Suburban, and I don't care what anyone says, they are one heck of a vehicle. The best one I have owned. With my winter travels to Northern Michigan, I would not be without it. It also tows my 30' travel trailer. These CAFE standards are a joke. Let the market decide what Americans want to drive. Not a bunch of government bureaucrats that do not even know how the world even turns!! Funny how all the senators and congressmen travel in black Suburbans paid for by you and me.

[ChrisNJ]

Originally Posted by C/K Man

The 1/2 ton Suburban will soon be obsolete. Even if there were buyers for it, the new CAFE standards will be very hard to meet with vehicles like the 1/2 ton Suburban in the product mix. The 3/4 ton Suburban may be heavy enough to get past CAFE, but that vehicle is a slow seller and it doesn't make any sense to continue producting it on a unique platform. The real replacement is the Savanna/Express. BOF construction, much more room, and diesel availablility. Full size pickups will still be around too.

The 3/4 ton Burb doesn't sell well, at least to me, because it doesn't have an engine. It used to have a 8.1, and I owned 3 of them, no diesel still, and the 6.0 sucks. So we just hammer a 6.2 Denali towing our 8K. Sure the 8.1 mpg sucked but it was the only game in town, now there is none. Hoping the little diesel saves the towing Burbs for us that need them.

[ChrisNJ]

Originally Posted by WishIhadatruck

I'm surpirsed all the heavy haulers that use Suburbans aren't already complaining about the current Suburban. The hitch that comes from the factory and isn't easily replaced is limited to 1000lb tounge weight. If you want to tow a 8k lb travel trailer and you get the tounge weight at 12-15% like it should be you'll be at 960-1200 lbs. The hitch is already inadequate for the nearly 10k lb tow rating of the 3/4 ton Suburban.

Your right, but the 3/4's 6.0 engine ONLY can't tow my large ass up steep grades at safe speeds, so again, we hammer a 6.2 Denail 1/2 ton that gets the job done, and yes, maybe the trailer will fall off some day, but I'd rather the trailer fall off, then get creamed by the convey of semi's out of NYC going by me.

[escaladelover]

Originally Posted by northernmi

My 07 is my third Suburban, and I don't care what anyone says, they are one heck of a vehicle. The best one I have owned. With my winter travels to Northern Michigan, I would not be without it. It also tows my 30' travel trailer. These CAFE standards are a joke. Let the market decide what Americans want to drive. Not a bunch of government bureaucrats that do not even know how the world even turns!! Funny how all the senators and congressmen travel in black Suburbans paid for by you and me.

You have spoken the truth here.

[Caleb02]

Originally Posted by nailhead425

Yeah, don't take it off-road, or expect it to stop with a load.
By that logic an Aveo is a perfect family car.



Nope, over 8600 lbs are still exempt.
Light trucks have a weight, payload and footprint average that hurts HHRs and helps Diesel 1/2 tons.
When Gov't types and media talking heads discuss the truck loophole, they mean car based minivans that the EPA classifies as trucks.

you do not need to have a load on your auto, you do not need to tow a trailer. These needs as you call them are wants. you want to tow, but it is not vital to national security that you tow anything, you do not need a boat or a horse. GM should see this a to start to build autos that are for city driving like the smart cars are. GM only have the Cruiz and beat. Two cars to cover what people need. But gm needs to take those platforms and turn them into a minivan and all that seats four people in posh style with pleather seating so we dont kill any animals in the process.

[ChrisNJ]

Originally Posted by Caleb02

you do not need to have a load on your auto, you do not need to tow a trailer. These needs as you call them are wants. you want to tow, but it is not vital to national security that you tow anything, you do not need a boat or a horse. GM should see this a to start to build autos that are for city driving like the smart cars are. GM only have the Cruiz and beat. Two cars to cover what people need. But gm needs to take those platforms and turn them into a minivan and all that seats four people in posh style with pleather seating so we dont kill any animals in the process.

Then you don't need a computer either, or your clothes, heating fuel, etc...

[Caleb02]

Originally Posted by ChrisNJ

Then you don't need a computer either, or your clothes, heating fuel, etc...

you are right we do not need computers, clothes ot heating fuels. people have lived millions of years without those, we can continue to live without them today as they are wants. Needs like water and food are needed to live. GM needs to realize they are raping the planet of resources like cows (for milk and food) metals and such. They should be making cars that are polution free and do not have the ability to tow or seat more then 4. I see no reason why some one really "needs" as suburban, since an Aveo will do the same job of getting you from point a to b. A soccer mom does not need a suburban to do the grocey shopping. She does not need 4 wheel drive for that either. She sould just get the GMC Aveo or the Dodgiac (merged dodge and pontiac) Calibatric (a merged Matrix and Caliber) General Chrysler needs to make cars like that that are no larger then a compact.

[PHAT-JAY]

what about police cars, fire engines, semi trucks, ambulance's, in your world all we can drive is aveos, huh. If you can afford it, buy what you want. This is america, drive what you want.

[oldforestor]

Originally Posted by Caleb02

the aveo would be the perfect family car as it seats four and i think it even comes with a standard 3 cyl. engine. Why would you have a "load" in your auto unless you mean in your pants.... All cars should be on one platform and should be no bigger then a compact car. For those with a family then you should have planned better and realized that your car only seats 4. For a family bigger then that they should have to pay an excess carbon usage fee of $10,000 per year to register a bigger car then that of a compact like a cobalt or ford focus. If they want a Suburban then they should have to pay even more like $29,999.99 per year in extra fees. Gm small cars from Korean are perfect and they should base all future autos off of them or bring back the orginal cavileer and make that the basis for all new autos as that platform is paid for....

I cant believe you guys havent hunted down this orwellian prick yet.