Rumormill: Suburban, Escalade ESV moving to Lambda

[fan]

Originally Posted by Caleb02

if gm does get chrysler and gm moves it to lambada that will be the end of caravan for sure. It is a fact that Dodge Caravan & Chrysler Town and Country are the best in class. GM would need to build on that platform and to keep stow in go and swival and go and also allow for both options. I think the lampada platform will be bad for caravan as gm has had a bad record with minivans, dustbusters anyone.

Designing a platform - Lambda 2 - for the crossovers and another one for the Chrysler\Dodge minivans could not make alot of sense. Don't think there are significant differences between the two styles of paltforms. The current Chrysler minivans won't be transferred to current Lambda anyway, since they are good enough sellers. The next Lambda would be designed taking more into account minivans, so they should be ok. I mean GM considered minivans on the current Lambda. They are wide, FWD\AWD, good towing rates. Engines are ok - what could be wrong about Lambda minivans. Ultimately, they could modify Lambda to perfectly fit the requirements for a minivan, but not so sure about a dedicated platform.

Regarding towing on Lambda...
The truck platforms are meant for towing. I think that modifying Lambda to allow towing rates (10000 lbs) comparable with GMT900 or C3xx would make them more expensive and possibly heavier. I'd rather see them cheaper and tow 4000 lbs (crossovers and minivans) than expensive for the sake of towing.

Anyway, since the C3xx truck plan is gowing forward, it would be an easy and acceptable fix to have a longer crew cab version for those that want to tow and carry 6 people. 1\2 with longer crew cabs and shorter beds would be ok for most, not necessarily Ram Mega Cabs; or 'a box on top' .

[96_impala_ss]

Originally Posted by TJ95GAGT

Wouldn't it be cheaper to just leave the current models go on indefinitely? I don't see the competition offering much more than they are now and the 900's are class leading and still sold a good amount YTD. Upwards of 200k?

GM has done that before. Before the SUV craze GM restyled the Suburban in 1973 and didnt touch it until 1991. The Caprice, Redesigned in 1977, a grille change in 1980, headlamps in 1986 but the car basically untouched until 1990
13 years for the Caprice/Impala and 18 for the Suburban/Carryall. GM can do it and it wont cost them anything.

[TJ95GAGT]

Originally Posted by johnny smallblock

I thought GM wasn't supposed to tell people what they want? Just offer everything in the whole wide world and simply lose money until the world makes up it's mind. Right?

Based on the market, most people who spend the money on a CUV or SUV want a 3rd row. Otherwise, they're really just buying a tall sedan.

They are telling me what I want by offering a 3rd a row in everything bigger than the HHR. I don't want or need a 3rd row. A Trailblazer/Envoy is far from a tall sedan of this age.

GM is losing money as it is, why waste money and add more 3 row CUV's to the 4 that already exist on the platform? Thats the point I was trying to make. Let it ride out, don't waste time and money talking about changing class leading products 5yrs from now when you don't have the cash to survive the next year.

[gmhashope]

Ok, here's a suggestion to everyone here pissed that GM is going to have few if none RWD cars and are now moving the Suburban to the Lambda platform. Right your Congressman and tell him/her what a terrible job they are doing and that they actually need to do what they promise they are going to do. When was the last time anyone here wrote a Congressman pissed and asking for an explanation of why they are running the country into the ground?????????

[GMOwner]

Originally Posted by tamatt27

Why isn't GM using Zeta??

'Cause they are only on Plan C so far...

I just can't wait for my 2014 Escalade with Corinthian Leather and Cummins Diesel engine with OnStar...

Looove it...looooove it!!

By the way, does anyone have $20? I'd like to buy the Hummer and Viper brand? Ouch, that hurts...

[ausrutherford]

And may I please say...Ford is not moving theirs to FWD, the next Expy/Nav will be on the F-100 platform which itself will be a slightly smaller F-150 platform.

[ausrutherford]

O and the fact that ford only uses 9 platforms by this time is just sad that GM cant do the same thing.

[04Colorado]

Does anyone else notice the poor gas mileage that many of the new "crossovers" get? I'm not sure that CAFE has as much to do with the crossover craze as the fact that auto makers can get a Tahoe price out of a mini van with four doors.

[KAD]

What's going on with GM?

[TaHoE]

I have silently watched at the sidelines as the General has slowly cut off its limbs, but this is too far. GM has THE LARGEST share in Full Size BOF vehicles, and they decide to kill them all off? This is asinine. I understand CAFE is hurting these companies, but how about in stead of 25 vehicles based off of GMT900, why not base the ones that SHOULD be there. Tahoe/Suburban, move the rest to Lambda or a Lambda type structure. Why does the Escalade EXT even exist? or ESV for that matter?

[srd275]

Dumb, Dumb, and Dumber.

When will GM realize that not everyone want's FWD?

What is it with them.

They already have the Traverse, Arcadia, Enclave to handle thoese that use those vehicles for more people hauling than trailer hauling.

GM WAKE UP! You cannot base a whole product lineup on trying to meet CAFE no matter what.

It was a mistake you guys did in the 80's with the cars.

Do you think people who were use to RWD Regals, Cutlass, Grand Prix were happy when they moved it a FWD.

It is one thing to offer FWD products, it is quite something else to expect all buyers to want it!

[Blue04Quad]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

SUBURBAN TOOO!!!!!!!!!

Traverse, Acadia, Enclave, Enclave, Suburban, Escalade, Yukon too?

ANyone else really irritated?

lol i know what your saying remember the:

Trailblazer-Envoy-Bravada-Rainier-Ascender-9-7x

GM is at is again damnit no more rebadges!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hurricane]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

SUBURBAN TOOO!!!!!!!!!

Traverse, Acadia, Enclave, Enclave, Suburban, Escalade, Yukon too?

ANyone else really irritated?

I am. A LOT.

WTF - Suburban and Yukon??????

[northernmi]

Guess I will order my last "real" suburban in 2013!

[crazyjkz]

GM really must be insane for greenlighting the Suburban to be moved to the FWD Lambda platform along with the Escalade because just initially hearing that the Escalade might of been moved to the Lambda platform was bad enough, but to see that the Suburban is going as well is just plain ridiculous for GM to even consider let alone actually implement.

The next generation Suburban and Escalade should most definitely be moved to the RWD Zeta platform, and since the Zeta platform is ALREADY reinforced for towing and hauling it makes even more sense to do so because it would need very little modification for SUV use. Wake up GM, ask yourself who on earth would possibly consider buying a FWD Suburban? Am I missing something here??