OFFICIAL 2010 CAMARO STATS & SPECS released! 300hp / 422hp!

[Olds88]

Well I have to say that I'm disappointed in a few things. The car looks gorgeous and I love the interior BUT
1) The back seat room is comparable to the physically smaller Mustang and doesn't come close to Challenger's back seat
2) No mid-tier V8. I don't need 400hp, but I want the soundtrack. Where's the L76 (G8's engine) option for the Camaro?
3) Premium fuel. The Challenger R/T and Mustang GT burn regular.

I hope that premium recommended means premium purely optional, because if not, Dodge won my vote for a sale.

[PontiacBixler]

Ok... time to announce that the Firebird is coming back in 2010 to help spread all the costs across 2 divisions....

[New_Mexico_Sunset_on_Rt66]

Originally Posted by I-Love-Pontiac

You're right. And aside from GM fans and rednecks (which overlap for the most part) no one is interested in this car. GM needs to start doing things to bring in NEW customers. I don't get why that's so difficult for people to understand.

That's what happens when a generation of American males has been emasculated and brought up to believe that shaving your chest hair, shaving your pubes and getting pedicures is socially acceptable. Go find your balls and slap them on! This is a car for men, not boys.

Originally Posted by Saturn69

This car is about heritage and nostalgia, not so much about attracting new customers to the fold. Sorry, but I agree with GM on this one. If they'd pussified it to attract the Camry Solara owners, you'd whine about that as well. The Camaro is what it is, love it or leave it. Sorry you're bitter there won't be a Firebird version. Nice to know you're omniscient though, and know what everyone thinks about this car.

Amen, brother. "No replacement for displacement".

Originally Posted by I-Love-Pontiac

Well I hope so. I hope this car sells well... but I really don't think it will.

Oh, it will. At least for the first few years. This will stop traffic everywhere.

Originally Posted by BGH

I think people here are forgeting about other attributions that make up a car.

I'm surprised to see this thing is going to have variable ratio steering, a nice feature imo.

And what do they mean by "fully adjustable camber, caster, and toe"?

Never heard of that before.

Yea, I was at MAM this past April running my '02 Z06. This dude a few cars down had a black G35, he was doing all kinds of mods to his camber and caster.

Originally Posted by TriShield

Yeah, I think I might replace the GTO with one of these.

SS manual, no cylinder deactivation bull**** in all of it's gas-guzzling, tire-smoking, driving sideways, redwhiteandblue American glory.

cue guitar solo from 'Freebird'. Or the opening guitar licks to Sammy Hagar's "Heavy Metal".

Originally Posted by fp115

I can't wait to get mine! Who cares about gas, so I will pay an extra $1k a year, like I care.

My thoughts exactly. To have fun? Yes' it's worth an extra $50 a month. Those were my thoughts when I bought my '02 Z28, and same when I got my '02 Z06 last spring.

Originally Posted by TruckMan

Wow! 7.6 quarts of oil for the V6 and 8.9 quarts for the V8. That's going to be an expensive oil change!

True, dat. Especially if it needs Mobil One.

Originally Posted by stevecmh

looks fantastic

i want and RS.. finally i think a V6 is not wussy anymore...

i want one

I know. When I read 300 hp out of the 6-cylinder, I was stunned. My 5.7L '02 Z28 had 315 hp.

Originally Posted by TimR

Its alignment of the wheels. Most newer cars all the specs are NOT adjustable anymore which is fine for most people, but if you like road racing you can play with the settings as required for the track/your style of driving. A nice feature.

Also, some cars like the G35 coupe/350z had issues with tires feathering and wearing out really fast, nothing to adjust other than toe in so you have to live with it...at least being fully adjustable you can compensate for things like that.

Thanks. See reply above in this post. That explains why Infiniti offered that on the G.

Originally Posted by Olds88

Well I have to say that I'm disappointed in a few things. The car looks gorgeous and I love the interior BUT
1) The back seat room is comparable to the physically smaller Mustang and doesn't come close to Challenger's back seat

The Camaro's back seat was always just offered for insurance reasons.

This car rocks! Years and years of pissing and moaning on GMI has gotten us here. Well done, team! Stay vocal!

[JBsZ06]

Anyone know why the automatic version of the v8 has less hp and tq than the manual?

Is it the Displacement on demand that is forcing this? Did they have to change the cam to include DOD?

The LS3 motor kicks @ss and since its available with an automatic in the corvette I'm curious why the L99 needed to lower hp ratings?

23mpg on the highway for the new camaro V8 is impressive.

[MaxLegroom]

Originally Posted by I-Love-Pontiac

Well I hope so. I hope this car sells well... but I really don't think it will.

Look at the G8. Probably the best Pontiac ever made (as far as performance and handling) but it doesn't matter. No one is interested.

Perhaps, I know one person who is, and when he asked about it yesterday, his roommate, a Dodge salesman, and I let him hear about it in stereo. Both of us have had too much fun in a G8, if that's possible.

Originally Posted by Olds88

Well I have to say that I'm disappointed in a few things. The car looks gorgeous and I love the interior BUT
1) The back seat room is comparable to the physically smaller Mustang and doesn't come close to Challenger's back seat
2) No mid-tier V8. I don't need 400hp, but I want the soundtrack. Where's the L76 (G8's engine) option for the Camaro?
3) Premium fuel. The Challenger R/T and Mustang GT burn regular.

I hope that premium recommended means premium purely optional, because if not, Dodge won my vote for a sale.

Note that this is a sports coupe, not a personal luxury coupe. The Challenger could have morphed into a Cordoba (indeed, one Mopar forum member did exactly that) with few the wiser. I have no idea if it is true for this car, but it may be that if you run regular, you get less horsepower. Aside from that, if I intended to buy the V8, it would be to kick @$$, not chew bubble gum. Keep the middle level engine to yourself if we're having a 400+ hp party without paying for more gas than that Mustang owner would.

Originally Posted by Saturn69

If you're concerned with fuel economy, perhaps a hi-performance pony car isn't what you should be looking for. May I recommend a Prius Sport?

There is actually something of the sort. There is a Prius Touring that includes 16" wheels, and, if I recall correctly, a sport suspension of some sort. Failing that, there's a T(u)RD suspension kit for the Prius. After all, in your quest to save gas, you'll want to take corners a bit faster, believe me. Why accelerate more often than you have to?

[CharlotteFirebird]

Originally Posted by eb110americana

If you're curious, here are the MPG's in 2008 standards for every year of the 4th gen V8 (no V6):

1993:
_15/22(A)
_15/23(M)
1994-7:
_15/23(A)
_15/24(M)
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1998:
_16/22(A)
_16/24(M)
1999:
_16/22(A)
_17/26(M)
2000:
_15/23(A)
_16/25(M)
2001-2:
_16/23(A)
_17/25(M)

Well, I can tell you that my 1995 LT1 gets 30 mpg on the highway, but it was rated at 26. I don't think the mileage of the new car is worse than expected...the V6 just does not get great mileage, in any car. GM needs to work on getting better mileage out of it, even if it loses power in the Malibu/Aura/etc (not the Camaro).

[syr74]

Originally Posted by CadiEldo67

Not that its in the same class as the Mustang, supposedly, but its V6 is on par with the GT's V8, thats embarrassing.

A lot of spec sheet warriors are going to be a bit disappointed when the light goes green. 300hp sounds fine until you realize that the V6 Camaro is sporting 200+lb more than a Mustang GT and is down in terms of power by about 50lb-ft of torque. The V6 Camaro is likely a low 14 second car, but it's a 14 second car make no mistake.

Originally Posted by CadiEldo67

My only fear would concern the 2010 Mustang, and what Ford has up its sleeve.

2010 will be the new body/interior/chassis upgrades with existing engines. 2011 gets the good stuff, including.....

400+hp 5.0L DOHC V8 and a six speed for the Mustang GT. Weight will probably climb 50lb or so over the current model.

3.5L V6 sporting 265+hp for the V6 model, which will actually come in lighter than the current model due to the engine switch. No word yet on exactly what it will weigh, but the engine change alone suggests a base curb weight in the sub 3300lb neighborhood. If Ford manages to keep the curb weight below 3300lb and the Mustang's V6 'finds' an extra 15hp or so over the run of the mill 3.5L the V6 could be the bargain performance 'surprise' of 2011.

[Hunid Racks]

Originally Posted by New_Mexico_Sunset_on_Rt66

That's what happens when a generation of American males has been emasculated and brought up to believe that shaving your chest hair, shaving your pubes and getting pedicures is socially acceptable. Go find your balls and slap them on! This is a car for men, not boys.

True words have never been typed.

No wonder there are so many infomercials on in the middle of the night selling pills to make a ***** larger. And every Camry owner buys the crap.

[zete]

I can't comprehend why some folks are moaning about fuel economy. The Camaro's not about fuel economy. It's always been about power.

And 300hp in the v6. My 84 Trans Am had 2/3rds that. This thing is going to rock even with the 6. Amazing.

They'll sell lots of these. An extra $50/month over a Cobalt, Civic, or Corolla for fuel isn't any type of penalty. Hell, GM should advertise it as a car for your soul for an extra $50 - 100/month of fuel (on average).

[New_Mexico_Sunset_on_Rt66]

Originally Posted by Hunid Racks

True words have never been typed.

No wonder there are so many infomercials on in the middle of the night selling pills to make a ***** larger. And every Camry owner buys the crap.

Ha, who needs Viagra?!!

... I'm still reading the GM release, and loving every word of it ...

[SierraGS]

Originally Posted by Ambalanche

That engine didn't have anywhere close to the power this 3.6 DI engine has. This is not the Cobalt replacement. Wait for the 2.0 DI turbo if you want a Camaro for gas milage. I don't think it will scare off anybody who is seriously looking at this type of car.

The 3800 V6 attached to a 4-speed Auto in a 3700 lb LaCrosse has a 28 MPG rating, think what it could get with a 6-speed and if you want 260 HP you should have 280 lb-ft of Torque to go with it like a 3800 SC would give and at a lower price.

What is with 29.9" of rear leg room and a 2 passenger rear seat?

Why can't GM make a Camaro with a decent rear seat?

Other than those negatives, overall very positive - great styling, great V8 engines, MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS, a reasonable turning radius and no doubt excellent road manners.

Just hope you can get a V8 for under 30K.

[mucker15]

Originally Posted by New_Mexico_Sunset_on_Rt66

That's what happens when a generation of American males has been emasculated and brought up to believe that shaving your chest hair, shaving your pubes and getting pedicures is socially acceptable. Go find your balls and slap them on! This is a car for men, not boys.



Amen, brother. "No replacement for displacement".



Oh, it will. At least for the first few years. This will stop traffic everywhere.



Yea, I was at MAM this past April running my '02 Z06. This dude a few cars down had a black G35, he was doing all kinds of mods to his camber and caster.



cue guitar solo from 'Freebird'. Or the opening guitar licks to Sammy Hagar's "Heavy Metal".



My thoughts exactly. To have fun? Yes' it's worth an extra $50 a month. Those were my thoughts when I bought my '02 Z28, and same when I got my '02 Z06 last spring.



True, dat. Especially if it needs Mobil One.



I know. When I read 300 hp out of the 6-cylinder, I was stunned. My 5.7L '02 Z28 had 315 hp.



Thanks. See reply above in this post. That explains why Infiniti offered that on the G.



The Camaro's back seat was always just offered for insurance reasons.

This car rocks! Years and years of pissing and moaning on GMI has gotten us here. Well done, team! Stay vocal!

Couldnt agree more,,, cant wait for this car! Pure American Muscle car!!!!1

[guitarlix]

Originally Posted by eb110americana

Here are some interesting dealer options:

• Interior trim kit - a four-piece kit offered in different colors
• Interior accessories - items include premium, "Camaro"-embroidered floor mats, sill plates and more
• Exterior detailing accessories - a variety of components are offered, from grille inserts and fuel doors to a High Rear Wing and Lower Ground Effects Package
• Stripes - heritage-inspired stripes are offered in RS style for the hood or "hockey stick" style side design
• Engine covers - available in five colors for the V6 and V8 engines
• Wheels - split-five-spoke 21-inch wheels are offered in black metallic and polished finishes
• Performance parts - numerous performance-enhancing components, including a tuned air intake, cat-back exhaust system, a Hurst short-throw shifter as well as more traditional GM Performance Parts.

I'm guessing the 4-piece interior trim kit is a direct swap for the gray inserts that were orange on the concept (the hardtop anyway). They're the ones that wrap around from the door across the dash to the other door.

I'm blown away! Total awesome execution - interior,exterior, powertrain. Yes, gas mileage sucks.......but that comes with the territory. Hopefully the general can get the turbo 4 going soon.

The options above are also very nicely done - harley davidson style marketing.....which is very effective.

[espo19047]

Originally Posted by I-Love-Pontiac

But apparently they can't. Freakin losers.

Why are you here? Name calling is not constructive at all... This car will sell. I heard the doubters when the HHR was coming and even the Malibu.
It is easy to knock everything that is the nature of the internet. You don't stand out at all. I guess you might be over compensating for something. Only you know what that is.

[New_Mexico_Sunset_on_Rt66]

The reveal from GMNext.com
http://gmtv.feedroom.com/?fr_story=7...7b82b7d4f3a194

I came in my pants a little at the 5:30 mark.

Ths quote reveals it's mission, "FUN, EFFICIENT SPORTS CAR FOR THE 21st CENTURY".

I'm glad I'm a man!

Testosterone on wheels, plain and simple!