October Camaro production & sales numbers. Beats Mustang for 5th straight month!

[mrgto]

It's good and they shouldn't flood every dealer with the cars.

[Al63240]

Originally Posted by wescoent

This genuinely surprised me as well, but I'll give more credit to pent-up demand for the Camaro, rather than a botched redesign on the part of the Mustang.

Hard to say. As has been stated many times, styling is subjective and different for every person and yes, there was a ton of pent up demand for the camaro. However, I've got to believe that the Mustangs styling plays into this. I personally think they really dropped the ball on the styling of the new mustang, since it looks too much like the previous one...for more money. The camaro is great because it is bold and aggressive and is proving to be a great performer. Don't get me wrong, I still think the Mustang is a great car, but the 2010 redesign could/should have been so much more.

[Buick61]

Originally Posted by SkiD666

Well GM doesn't want to blow their Camaro wad all at once, a staggered introduction of the V6/V8 this year, 'vert next year, Z28 the year after and then a MCE will keep sales rolling along at a manageable/profitable rate.

But that doesn't always work. Sometimes people lose interest and move on to something else instead of waiting around for the product variants to come out.

Example: Pontiac G6.

Another example: Cadillac CTS.

[PistonsFan]

Originally Posted by Al63240

Hard to say. As has been stated many times, styling is subjective and different for every person and yes, there was a ton of pent up demand for the camaro. However, I've got to believe that the Mustangs styling plays into this. I personally think they really dropped the ball on the styling of the new mustang, since it looks too much like the previous one...for more money. The camaro is great because it is bold and aggressive and is proving to be a great performer. Don't get me wrong, I still think the Mustang is a great car, but the 2010 redesign could/should have been so much more.

Yes.

And the Mustang just doesn't have the "cool" factor on its side. It's still just an iterative re-design of the Mustang.

I hated the look of the Mustangs of the 90's. And that still sticks with me. Ford can keep iterating on the design, but it's still that same Mustang to me.

The Camaro on the other hand is new and fresh. It has absolutely nothing to do with the previous generation Camaro. It's got the cool factor on its side. Camaro is a Hollywood star.

[wescoent]

Originally Posted by PistonsFan

Yes.

And the Mustang just doesn't have the "cool" factor on its side. It's still just an iterative re-design of the Mustang.

I hated the look of the Mustangs of the 90's. And that still sticks with me. Ford can keep iterating on the design, but it's still that same Mustang to me.

The Camaro on the other hand is new and fresh. It has absolutely nothing to do with the previous generation Camaro. It's got the cool factor on its side. Camaro is a Hollywood star.

I know what you mean... I feel the same way about the Corvette. Reminds me too much of the amorphous blobby Corvettes of the 80's and 90's, and so I can't bring myself to love the new one.

Speaking of which... I'd be interested to see the stats on the Corvette and 370Z sales against the Camaros.

[PistonsFan]

Originally Posted by wescoent

I know what you mean... I feel the same way about the Corvette. Reminds me too much of the amorphous blobby Corvettes of the 80's and 90's, and so I can't bring myself to love the new one.

Speaking of which... I'd be interested to see the stats on the Corvette and 370Z sales against the Camaros.

The design direction of the C7 is going to be a tough call. There a lot of people that want GM to keep the Corvette design theme. Some are very passionate about it. And, I know that there are some members within the Corvette team that are very passionate about the C6 Corvette and don't want it to change too much.

On the other hand, GM is looking to the public for feedback on what the C7 should be. They have hosted several C7 focus groups (including a Porsche racing club).

I would love to see GM put some young talent behind the design of a completely new Corvette style that only retains some of the "key" Corvette design cues (i.e. 4 circular brake lights). I know they have the talent.

About the Corvette sales stats, what trend are you curious about? Camaro displacing Corvette sales or just the long-term trend of the C6?

[wescoent]

Originally Posted by PistonsFan

The design direction of the C7 is going to be a tough call. There a lot of people that want GM to keep the Corvette design theme. Some are very passionate about it. And, I know that there are some members within the Corvette team that are very passionate about the C6 Corvette and don't want it to change too much.

On the other hand, GM is looking to the public for feedback on what the C7 should be. They have hosted several C7 focus groups (including a Porsche racing club).

I would love to see GM put some young talent behind the design of a completely new Corvette style that only retains some of the "key" Corvette design cues (i.e. 4 circular brake lights). I know they have the talent.

About the Corvette sales stats, what trend are you curious about? Camaro displacing Corvette sales or just the long-term trend of the C6?

Corvette against Camaro.

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C7 needs to be fresh, to finally expunge that 80's vibe.

[big swede]

Originally Posted by PistonsFan

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That's the sweetest picture I have seen in a long long time. All 3 look incredible.

[BigAls87Z28]

I think that the C4 put the Corvette where it is today, and got it away from the big fenderd, heavily overstyled C3 Vettes of the late 70's, early 80's.

C4 stepped up performance, technology, design, and image for Corvette.
C5 moved even further, and C6 has put the Corvette into a true world class sports car with a damn near $100k range in price.
C7 needs to move foward yet again, and focus on interior quailty as GM has made such vast improvements since the debut of the C6.
Power, handling, quality, luxury, design. I hope they dont go retro...really.

As for Camaro, fantastic news for them as they take it for 5 straight months.

[ksr]

Originally Posted by big swede

That's the sweetest picture I have seen in a long long time. All 3 look incredible.

I agree. I wouldn't mind having that on a poster in my den.

[ksr]

Camaro sales may be being aided by being the "new kid" on the block, but if it's stealing Mustang sales and the total number of possible sales in this segment is what we're seeing now for Camaro and Mustang combined, then the segment is in trouble. There may not be enough interest to support both cars long-term.

[wescoent]

Originally Posted by ksr

Camaro sales may be being aided by being the "new kid" on the block, but if it's stealing Mustang sales and the total number of possible sales in this segment is what we're seeing now for Camaro and Mustang combined, then the segment is in trouble. There may not be enough interest to support both cars long-term.

Well, I know Ford is capable of drawing down Mustang volume to about 3,500 a month and still be comfortably profitable, so I think we're okay for now.

I'm also not convinced that the Camaro is taking all of its sales from the Mustang. I'd say its a combination of Camaro-intenders (who wouldn't buy a Mustang), some sales stolen from the Mustang, and some sales stolen from the Corvette. Just my guess.

[ksr]

Originally Posted by wescoent

Well, I know Ford is capable of drawing down Mustang volume to about 3,500 a month and still be comfortably profitable, so I think we're okay for now.

I'm also not convinced that the Camaro is taking all of its sales from the Mustang. I'd say its a combination of Camaro-intenders (who wouldn't buy a Mustang), some sales stolen from the Mustang, and some sales stolen from the Corvette. Just my guess.

In my case, I guess I was sort of stolen from the Mustang or Challenger. If the Camaro hadn't come out, I'd have kept my Firebird longer, but it was probably on borrowed time. I'd have eventually replaced it with a Challenger or Mustang were it not for the Camaro.

[Extreme4x4]

Originally Posted by wescoent

Well, I know Ford is capable of drawing down Mustang volume to about 3,500 a month and still be comfortably profitable, so I think we're okay for now.

I'm also not convinced that the Camaro is taking all of its sales from the Mustang. I'd say its a combination of Camaro-intenders (who wouldn't buy a Mustang), some sales stolen from the Mustang, and some sales stolen from the Corvette. Just my guess.

To build on this thought................

There were alot of Camaro buyers, who ended up buying Mustangs, because there was no Camaro. I would imagine that GM is getting many of those people back.

[OLDSCHOOLGMFAN]

Camaro sold over 270,000 in '79. I wonder what the Mustang's best ever sales year was.