Lutz Takes Camaro For a Ride Down Under

[AndrewGS]

Originally Posted by mikmak

Good Luck! Lang Lang (the testing facility) is infested with rabid chuzwazzas. No amount of money can make me put myself at risk in their domain!

Do they go for the genitals like the giant yabbies?

[MonaroSS]

Originally Posted by AndrewGS

Do they go for the genitals like the giant yabbies?

Of course they do. Like everything else here.

Why do you think our lifeguards wear Speedo’s instead of boxer type swim wear? It's to keep out the genital seeking varmints that infest both land and sea!!!



No genital munchers getting’ in there….

[AndrewGS]

Originally Posted by MonaroSS

Of course they do. Like everything else here.

Why do you think our lifeguards wear Speedo’s instead of boxer type swim wear? It's to keep out the genital seeking varmints that infest both land and sea!!!



No genital munchers getting’ in there….

Guess that's why it's called "The Land Down Under".

[Gm786]

Originally Posted by Xenon

Do you guys honestly think they will build a Camaro that is just as fast as a Z06?

Why not? GM's Chevy division can have 2 super fast muscle cars. I don't see a problem with that.

[99b4c]

I wonder how hard they tried to remove that b-pillar?I dont think Holden can design or build a true coupe,look at the last GTO Monaro 2 door sedan,no convertable option,reminds me of cheap transportation not my dream car.Has Holden ever built a true coupe besides 50's concepts?GM messed up having sedan builders build our American coupe,thats why we have a pillar and Ed is hiding it.Ed,hydroform a frame for that rear window and give us the true coupe we all have been waiting for,stop being cheap,I will pay extra to roll all four windows down.I'm pissed at GM

[MonaroSS]

Originally Posted by 99b4c

I wonder how hard they tried to remove that b-pillar?I dont think Holden can design or build a true coupe,look at the last GTO Monaro 2 door sedan,no convertable option,reminds me of cheap transportation not my dream car.Has Holden ever built a true coupe besides 50's concepts?GM messed up having sedan builders build our American coupe,thats why we have a pillar and Ed is hiding it.Ed,hydroform a frame for that rear window and give us the true coupe we all have been waiting for,stop being cheap,I will pay extra to roll all four windows down.I'm pissed at GM

Having a B pillar makes the car stiffer and stronger, not just for better safety, but for better suspension tuning and thus handling. It also means that the car can be lighter and still pass the crash tests. Lighter isn't just about better fuel consumption, it makes for more nimble handling, faster braking, and for Americans, faster acceleration.

Would you really have them make a heavier slower, worse handling car, just so you can occasionally on a warm day wind all four windows down and not have a B pillar where you can't see it normally anyway. It's only for an occasional improvement in looks for onlookers who are complete strangers.

So do you want a show pony (then buy the convertible) or do you want a high performance coupe? Because Holden does know how to build them mate….




...and their most successful one for performance & racing had a B pillar for a stronger better coupe. The legendary Torana A9X Coupe.

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by 99b4c

I wonder how hard they tried to remove that b-pillar?I dont think Holden can design or build a true coupe,look at the last GTO Monaro 2 door sedan,no convertable option,reminds me of cheap transportation not my dream car.Has Holden ever built a true coupe besides 50's concepts?GM messed up having sedan builders build our American coupe,thats why we have a pillar and Ed is hiding it.Ed,hydroform a frame for that rear window and give us the true coupe we all have been waiting for,stop being cheap,I will pay extra to roll all four windows down.I'm pissed at GM

They could do it, but like stated 400 times all over this site, it would sacrafice a lot

#1- weight. This car's target weight is under 3600lbs. In order to make the car strong enough to pass crash standards NOW and in the future, it will need to have a very strong side structure. On top of the fact that Camaro coming to market with a 5 star crash rating would just be icing on the cake.

#2- strength. The B-pillar adds stiffness to the chassis, therefor making it a very strong platform and giving us drivers a very tight handling car. On top of this, it also gives us a stronger chassis so that we can put bigger and stronger engines in the car, factory and aftermarket.

#3- cost. It costs a lot to engineer and tool for the chassis support to keep the frame strong for these impact standards as well as handling of the car.

GM and Holden engineers are working tirelessly to make sure that this car not only handles better then any fbody before it, but it needs to be stronger, and better, and be a solid platform to continue AFTER the 5th gen, and after 2009.
While I would have LOVED to have a hard top coupe without the b pillar, with the appeal and sexyness of that look, this one little thing is just a small bump in the road, but NOTHING that will prevent me from buying one.
I just watched Transformers tonight, not to mention purchased yet another 5th gen Hot Wheel, I am, more then ever, sooooo excited for this car. I cant belive after years of nay-sayers and people that would laugh at the thought that "stupid" GM would EVER bring back Camaro, its going to be a real live vehicle again.

To those who say that its getting old, and that you cannot wait anymore for it, I am one of many that wait with baited breath for this car. Its a big part of me, and a big part of many. Cant wait, dont want to wait, dont think GM is working fast enough? Im sure you can get a killer deal on an Altima coupe, Accord Coupe, and even the Mustang.
For the rest of us, we will be waiting in like for our Camaro.

[superstreet]

Originally Posted by bballer113

Damn, waiting sucks

i hate to wait

[BlacLac02]

every day is just another step closer to getting it in my driveway!!!

[61695]

Originally Posted by thebuickguy

The Challenger in my opinion is going to blow the doors off almost everything that lines up beside it on the track but will lose the pony wars due to its price

Gonna need more than 425hp from the hemi to do that.

[bballer113]

Originally Posted by 61695

Gonna need more than 425hp from the hemi to do that.

Thats for sure

[99b4c]

MonaroSS and Z28,thanks for the correction and pics.Yes,I want a safe Camaro,I have had a 74lt,79rs,81z,84z,89IROC,and still have my 99 B4C.I cant wait to order my black SS,LS3,6 speed,just want a true coupe for once,safety first.The wifes 99 GTP replacement will be a Holden/Pontiac G8 gt,a good looking car.

[bigtime]

Both the challenger and camaro are going to lose on price. I have a feeling neither will be the bargain they once were, at least the camaro was. The fatest thing you could buy in the low 20's. AND it still didn't sell. Insurance rates killed it. It will be interesting to see who buys these new camaros and what price they tack on it. GM has a bigger issue in that it has a fantastic sports car,the corvette's, image to protect. Chrysler not so much, the viper is almost in the realm of supercar just because of its exclusivity.

[JCS30TH]

Originally Posted by PontiacBixler

way too long to have to wait now. Still at least 18 months away from getting one on the lots..... Should have never brought it out 2 years ago at the NAIAS..... Last year should have been the first year we saw it, OR it should be released next spring at the LATEST.

just in time for the recession coming..........