The Last Chevrolet Monte Carlo Rolls off The Line

[PA Dweller]

Originally Posted by knightfan26917

*nods*

I had a feeling you, too, misunderstood what I typed. Sorry I hadn't made it clearer ... thought I had .


Both of your experiences sound as if they were in the really extreme weather conditions, along with the side roads, no? Either way ... winter driving can be very hazardous at times, no matter WHAT you are driving, imho, anyway.

Take for instance ... today. En route home from work (~4:45p central today), we had snow coming down at a rather quick clip. The forecast had been for an inch of accumulation by evening, but if that was an inch of snow, I'm the Grinch Who Stole Christmas. I brushed off AT LEAST an inch of snow from my '87 MC LS before I LEFT work.

Anyway, en route home, I went by numerous skid outs and 2 major collisions. The 2 major collisions included a Toyota minivan, Honda Accord, Olds Bravada and (I think) a Dodge pickup in one ... and a Ch#$r%*et Blazer along with an '80s Buick LeSabre (I think) in a ditch in the other. The two vehicles in the ditch looked like they were trying to hide the fact that they were kissing . he he

Meanwhile ... I had NO problems navigating the snowy roads in my RWD '87 MC LS. Yeah, it slipped a couple times, but nothing that I wasn't able to immediately correct...and I was never in danger of hitting anyone because I kept a safe distance between vehicles. Sadly, I can't say the same for the guy in the brand new FWD Cobalt that almost rearended me ... SEVERAL times ... because he kept putting on the brakes too late and skidding to a stop.

And, no, I wasn't going any slower than anyone else. You can't go much faster when a car ahead of you is only going 10mph ... when I was hoping they'd speed up to at least 20mph....

Which just illustrates my opinion that, positives and negatives for RWD, FWD, AWD and 4WD aside, if you don't know how to handle your car/truck, it doesn't matter what wheel(s) are driving the vehicle..... But, unfortunately, it seems, most people either don't agree with that or don't get it....



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Glad I am not the only one misunderstanding people .

Yes though, both skids came during times of extreme weather conditions. The one with getting stuck in the snow being the worse. I understand no matter what you drive you can still lose control and you need to know how to drive but my personal belief is 4WD/AWD gives you the best traction in all conditions which will help greatly in such conditions. Even the best drivers can end up in ditch in such conditions.

To me 4WD/AWD is an insurance policy, its not full proof but its better than nothing.

[knightfan26917]

Originally Posted by PA Dweller

Glad I am not the only one misunderstanding people .

*grins*

Ohhhh...no yer not . he he!

Originally Posted by PA Dweller

Yes though, both skids came during times of extreme weather conditions. The one with getting stuck in the snow being the worse. I understand no matter what you drive you can still lose control and you need to know how to drive but my personal belief is 4WD/AWD gives you the best traction in all conditions which will help greatly in such conditions. Even the best drivers can end up in ditch in such conditions.

To me 4WD/AWD is an insurance policy, its not full proof but its better than nothing.

Your viewpoint, I can understand.

What I do NOT understand ... is the ones who take that to the extreme ... and, instead of viewing it like you, see the 4WD/AWD/FWD as an ABSOLUTE insurance policy against ANYTHING happening to them in bad weather conditions.

It sounds as if you are still cautious ... I'd be willing to bet that the people in collisions around here during the snow storm were either not cautious and/or were under the impression that their 4WD/AWD/FWD vehicle would get 'em through no matter what....

*sighs*

After all ... I got home in one piece ... even with the RWD in the SAME weather conditions as them.....



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[MaxLegroom]

OK, when is this thread going to be about the Monte Carlo again?

Better yet, here's the next strange idea. If Chevy decides to build a new Monte Carlo, how about stretching a C6 chassis until a comfortable rear seat can be added, design a grand touring type body (think Ferrari 456 or 612 here), and make that the next MC?

[PA Dweller]

Originally Posted by knightfan26917

*grins*

Ohhhh...no yer not . he he!

That makes me feel much better.

Originally Posted by knightfan26917

Your viewpoint, I can understand.

What I do NOT understand ... is the ones who take that to the extreme ... and, instead of viewing it like you, see the 4WD/AWD/FWD as an ABSOLUTE insurance policy against ANYTHING happening to them in bad weather conditions.

It sounds as if you are still cautious ... I'd be willing to bet that the people in collisions around here during the snow storm were either not cautious and/or were under the impression that their 4WD/AWD/FWD vehicle would get 'em through no matter what....

*sighs*

After all ... I got home in one piece ... even with the RWD in the SAME weather conditions as them.....



Cort:34swm."Mr Monte Carlo.Mr Road Trip".pig valve&pacemaker
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"Action speaks louder than words" ... Black Crowes ... 'Hard To Handle'

AWD/4WD isn't an absolute insurance policy, it helps but again it isn't full proof. I have seen many people in AWD/4WD vehicles drive like its a normal day (During a snow storm or icy conditions) and end up in a ditch or wrecking their vehicle. Especially people who drives SUV's. I remember one guy in an Cadillac Escalade think that. In these conditions you always have to be cautious.

For example, when I usually pull out of a parking lot I floor it but in such conditions I don't or I will go skidding. No matter what wheels are driving the vehicle you can still lose control and the driver needs to know how to handle the vehicle to prevent such problems.

[knightfan26917]

Originally Posted by MaxLegroom

...a new Monte Carlo, how about stretching a C6 chassis until a comfortable rear seat can be added, design a grand touring type body (think Ferrari 456 or 612 here), and make that the next MC?

Hmmm....while that certainly is an interesting idea, that sounds more like a Camaro varient to me....?

Originally Posted by PA Dweller

No matter what wheels are driving the vehicle you can still lose control and the driver needs to know how to handle the vehicle to prevent such problems.

And THAT has always been a part of my argument!

See ... we DO agree ... if only somewhat . he he



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[2005 Equinox LS]

I see things the same way PA Dweller does. I too skided a bit with the Equinox on our road. I was going a little too fast and there was some ice. But I use proper evasive meneuvers and got out of it with nothing more than a bit of my pride lost. What really happen ed was I wanted to turn but the Equinox kept going straight. I just let off the gas and touched the brakes and allowed the Anti-lock to do its thing. My point is the same thing could and did happen with the Bonneville once. But there you have to be careful with the brakes so you dont lock the brakes up. And you have to be careful if you use throttle not to get crazy with it or you will spin.

[PA Dweller]

Finally I was able to log onto this website.....

My first skid out was partially caused because I was going the speed limit. I was doing 35 MPH during those very icy conditions and thought I would be safe since I was sticking to that limit. I was wrong; I was only 17 at the time and only had a 1 1/2 years of experience. When the conditions are bad enough you even have to go slower than the speed limit. I must have skidded at least 50 yards probably more during that skid. AWD, Traction Control, Stability Control, and ABS will be a great help but the moral of the story is you still have to go slow or all these great devices are useless during such conditions.

It was my father that told me unless they come out with a device that shoots anchors out of the car nothing will stop a car during a skid.

[2005 Equinox LS]

Hmmmmmm. I could patent that and be able to live off the royalties. Nahhhhh nobody would want it.

[MaxLegroom]

Originally Posted by knightfan26917

Hmmm....while that certainly is an interesting idea, that sounds more like a Camaro varient to me....?








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Maybe, in a way, it is. But the original four seat T-birds came close to this idea. Perhaps what I have in mind is a car that is related to the Corvette in the way that the 1956 Impala concept was to the Corvette (it was sometimes even called the Corvette Impala). I meant it to have more room than a Camaro, BTW. At one point, someone at Chevy was throwing around the idea of a Camaro based Monte Carlo, I recall seeing one idea in Motor Trend, about 1988-90, of a car called a Berlinetta (separate from the Camaro trim option) that might have used a stretched Camaro platform. It was drop dead sexy.