A more recent name that makes as much or more sense, if there MUST be a name other than "SS Performance Sedan": Monte Carlo
Another name in Chevrolet's past that could be used: Monza
Anyone saying either of those is qualified to be for a 2-door only model is quickly dismissing the most recent and arguably successful RWD Impala SS.
The die is cast, so get over the notion of "it shoulda been Chevelle" (shades of "I coulda had a V8"?) - while I've got a 2011 Caprice that won't hold a candle to the coming SS, it would be a bit odd for it to carry the Chevelle name, while Monte Carlo SS or Monza SS would evoke a much sportier image/heritage, in my mind.
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As some others have said, I hope the car itself is better than most of us are imagining. I'm sure I'll give the SS a once over when it arrives at the dealership. I so far don't see an immediate purchase in my future.
So, just for the sake of the argument, what is so awesomely wonderful about "Chevelle SS" (name last used in 1977, or earlier)? Other than it's birth in 1964 and the SS package being available from the beginning--2-door coupe & convertible only, I recall--the name was a creation of the division's desire to have all their cars start with a "C", at least after 1960, with a full-size Chevrolet (including wagons and El Camino) and Corvette roadster prior to that - Corvair, Chevy II, Chevelle, Caprice (first as an Impala derivative) Camaro (all models introduced through the 60's), and Chevette in 1976, then Citation, Cavalier(>Cobalt>Cruze) & Celebrity (1980-82)....Corsica/Beretta (really?) then LUMINA????
At some point, the naming protocols took a turn, with sub-models, and other separate models based on the same or similar platform, and unique models that even spawned spin-offs: Chevelle-based Monte Carlo (1970), Vega (1971), Monza (2nd time around after Corvair as a Vega derivative) (1975), and so on. 1978 brought the downsized Malibu, with Chevelle now retired from naming anything--and Malibu was handed off to a FWD platform, where it remains (original origin being the Chevelle line). RWD cars suffered greatly--Monte Carlo went away with Lumina taking it's place in 1988, then returned again later, and is now absent, after establishing a stellar record in a racing environment (RWD silhouette in NASCAR). Impala went away in the 80's in RWD, to return again in 1994 as an SS, then went away again, to return as a FWD model in 2000. Camaro goes away after 35 years and comes back 8 (EIGHT!!!) model years later......at least Mark Reuss seems to be an actual "car guy" and understand the enthusiast market!
Take a look at the number of VE-based "Commodore" models at the Holden website---as recently announced on this board, this will change with the rollout of VF, so Omega, Berlina, Calais, and other names now available may be history.
Previous discussion even suggested that Commodore SS would have been a reasonable name to use for the new Chevy version--it gets back to the naming protocol of "C"-names....interesting that the name Commodore appears nowhere on the car itself.
It's GM's decision. It's not the 1960's & 70's anymore. Live with it.
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If it's better than the G8 GT it'll be an awesome ride. I hope they put MRC into it, so it'll be worth any extra coin they're surely going to demand for it.
Making it v8 only is probably a good choice and allows the differentiator from the Impala that so many people were clamouring for.
I think this makes sense.
And like others, I wish it was called something other than just SS. But I can live with it.
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Was the 3.9L Malibu SS RWD?
What were the hood scoops on a '67 SS Camaro used for? I'd like to know, because they weren't functional.
What about the majority of the 1960s when you could order an SS Impala with any engine, including the straight-six?
How about '71 and '72 Chevelles?
Much of what made a car an SS boiled down to emblems, badges, center consoles, and gauges.
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What??? The new DI V8? I guess the SS won't go into production until fall?!? I thought it was going to be not long after the reveal in Feb, but I guess not until later. The article didn't see an on-sale date that I saw. That would be awesome if we got to see the LS early.
Obviously they are trying to position it like the Impala SS from the mid-90's (vice a full range offering like the Charger). I hope they go for the same subtle aesthetic (ie very little to no chrome, body colored trim, etc.) with the SS.
If GM was to take Alpha and re-invent the SS off it, it would cost much more money, including R&D, changing the structure to fit a Chevrolet cost model etc. How much is a V6 ATS? High $30s, and without options it's an entry luxury but not opulent car. Even though they are likely to sell many less SS than ATS, they can do so including selling it with a V8 for similar dollars because they do not have to factor in a second R&D amount and another build facilitiy to make it. Even though the car comes from 1/3 of the way around the world, the transport cost is much less for small volumes than making it. And even if they made it in the US, unless they were making say a Zeta Impala alongside as the donor car, then it makes no sense economically. Whereas, Holden is making the car and was always going to f0r multiple markets. And America and Australia being similar societies that like large V8 cars, it makes sense to do it once and sell it twice.
As far as the Ute is concerned, I do not know why there is no plan to import it. Given many Americans own more than one car - sportscar, minvan, beater, truck - I do not know why anyone thinks a Ute wouldn't work as well there as here. Many people who own one car here have a ute - including women. It wouldn't sell in Camry proportions - but positioned correctly it would seem to be a monty. It can only be, they are worried it might chew some 2-door cab pickup sales at the bottom end. I wouldn't think so personally. Utes are a ton of fun but more a lifestyle thing, not many businesses would take a $30K+ V8 ute over say a $20K Tacoma - except speed shops. Here, the Ute is the gofer mobile but also the mobile advertisement/billboard for performance shops. Ideal for picking up exhausts, tyres, wheels, mod bits but also showing a customer what they can anticpate from tuning.
It's like - BMW doesn't have a Z-series factory in Europe. All it's Z-cars for the world come from America. It makes sense with niche, and a Chevrolet 4-door performance sedan seems pretty niche to me.
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