Edmunds Spies 2011 Cruze

Hitman1970 · 07-31-2008, 09:47 AM

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..1.*

Torsion rear suspension is projected. Any thoughts on what this will do to perception versus the imports?

TheGeneral · 07-31-2008, 09:54 AM

The camry isn't fully independant in the rear but I'm not 100% sure.

Koasterking · 07-31-2008, 09:55 AM

I don't understand why the US won't see this car until one year after it's launch in Europe.

Other than that, I think it's a nice lookin' car. Can't wait to see it unveiled in Oct.

Quickening · 07-31-2008, 09:59 AM

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with Edmunds. I feel they were just trying to put a bad wrap on the car already. As he continues to talk about cost cutting on the transmissions.

killerrd2 · 07-31-2008, 10:00 AM

Most of the car mags will again diss on GM again for taking shortcuts and not putting in a fully independent suspension.

I say as long as it gets great time on the track and handles well, who cares!

smokyn454 · 07-31-2008, 10:20 AM

95% of the general population couldn't tell you what torsion bar suspension is.

pwinskey · 07-31-2008, 10:22 AM

What I don’t understand is if Chevrolet knows that they are going to be compared to European and Japanese standards and transmissions why don’t they make the necessary adjustments for a car that is coming out in 2010? As bad as I hate to say it or admit it they do leave themselves open to criticism even if most people don’t care or know the difference. Problem is people do care when it comes time to buy one and they look at car magazines and reviews for a tip on buying. They formulate their perception totally on what they read regardless of whether they understand it. I often wonder if the people in charge of GM read or care what the perception is .

88ls1blazer · 07-31-2008, 10:30 AM

It's already stated it will get a 6A. They are months behind on their info, and that is rather sad...

One other thing:

IRS on a fwd car doesn't make much sense to me. You have IRS, but then put a beefy sway bar on the back to tie the left and right together to improve handling. A torsion axle acts just like this, allowing a certain amount of movement from left to right...

JVal14 · 07-31-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by smokyn454

95% of the general population couldn't tell you what torsion bar suspension is.

Eaxactly. As long as it rides and handles well, you could tell people the rear wheels attached to the chassis with chicken wire and they won't care. More people, on the other hand, understand more gears is better, so I think GM will offer the 6-spd AT, at least on the upper end. As the 4-spd. gets further phased out, any cost saving from using that tranny is probably becoming negligable. Or maybe that's why they went with the torsion beam: reduce cost so you can afford to spend more on the tranny, which more people will care about.

K-1 · 07-31-2008, 10:35 AM

Is it just me or is there no torsion beam to be found in that picture? I don't see it in the video either.

mbukukanyau · 07-31-2008, 10:52 AM

The sooner people understand Edmunds editorial attitudes, the better they will be in equiphed to see this for what it is.

**BigAls87Z28** · 07-31-2008, 11:04 AM

Well...not to point to the 800lbs gorilla in the room...but the "torsion beam" Cobalt SS turbo has the record for fastest production compact car around the 'Ring.

Canyonaro · 07-31-2008, 11:14 AM

Not a deal breaker, still seems like a competent and great car.

Hitman1970 · 07-31-2008, 11:17 AM

Fuel economy, interior quality, and gadget availability will sell this vehicle.

mbukukanyau · 07-31-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Well...not to point to the 800lbs gorilla in the room...but the "torsion beam" Cobalt SS turbo has the record for fastest production compact car around the 'Ring.

these guys are setting the stage to justify their "last in their comparo" and to justify why "though its new, its not upto snuff" coments down the road.

I know these people, they cater to their import loving audience and do not care for truth. they just want to reinforce biases, and make their audience happy and coming back for more coolaid

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TheGeneral 2.8 Liter Turbocharged V6 Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 943	Re: Edmunds Spies 2011 Cruze The camry isn't fully independant in the rear but I'm not 100% sure. __________________ 2008 Chevy Malibu LTZ 2007 Mazda3 I Touring

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Koasterking 4.6 Liter Northstar V8 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hunterdon Co., NJ Drives: 2004 Scion xB Posts: 1,899	Re: Edmunds Spies 2011 Cruze I don't understand why the US won't see this car until one year after it's launch in Europe. Other than that, I think it's a nice lookin' car. Can't wait to see it unveiled in Oct. __________________ I don't go fishing, I go fish sticking. How do you think we get the fish sticks?

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killerrd2 3.0 Liter SIDI V6 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Great Lakes Road Warrior Drives: '10 Corolla - Where's the Chevy CRUZE?!? Posts: 607	Re: Edmunds Spies 2011 Cruze Most of the car mags will again diss on GM again for taking shortcuts and not putting in a fully independent suspension. I say as long as it gets great time on the track and handles well, who cares! __________________ "Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." -- Albert Einstein

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smokyn454 2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Big Sky Country Drives: 1999 Tahoe: 2006 G6 Posts: 420	Re: Edmunds Spies 2011 Cruze 95% of the general population couldn't tell you what torsion bar suspension is. __________________ Current Whips: 1979 Chevy K10 Stepside (350 4-spd, waiting to be restored) 1999 Chevy Tahoe (good ol' 5.7) 2000 Kawasaki KE 100 Dirt bike (street legal, loud and 90 mpg, woo hoo!) 2006 Pontiac G6 (3.5 daily driver, contrary to popular belief, has been flawless for 23,000 mi)

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pwinskey 1.8 Liter ECOTEC Join Date: May 2008 Location: Statesboro GA Drives: 2008 2LT Malibu Posts: 34	Re: Edmunds Spies 2011 Cruze What I don’t understand is if Chevrolet knows that they are going to be compared to European and Japanese standards and transmissions why don’t they make the necessary adjustments for a car that is coming out in 2010? As bad as I hate to say it or admit it they do leave themselves open to criticism even if most people don’t care or know the difference. Problem is people do care when it comes time to buy one and they look at car magazines and reviews for a tip on buying. They formulate their perception totally on what they read regardless of whether they understand it. I often wonder if the people in charge of GM read or care what the perception is .

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88ls1blazer 1.4 Liter Turbocharged ECOTEC Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Grand Blanc, MI Drives: 1987 Regal Turbo-T 2000 Camaro SS 2006 Trailblaz Posts: 91	Re: Edmunds Spies 2011 Cruze It's already stated it will get a 6A. They are months behind on their info, and that is rather sad... One other thing: IRS on a fwd car doesn't make much sense to me. You have IRS, but then put a beefy sway bar on the back to tie the left and right together to improve handling. A torsion axle acts just like this, allowing a certain amount of movement from left to right...

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K-1 4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan Drives: 2008 Saturn ASTRA 5dr XR 2009 Saturn AURA XE Posts: 2,545	Re: Edmunds Spies 2011 Cruze Is it just me or is there no torsion beam to be found in that picture? I don't see it in the video either. __________________ 2008 Saturn ASTRA 5-door XR - Sandstone - Me 2009 Saturn AURA XE - Quicksilver - Wife 2009 Maclaren Quest Sport Stroller - Black/Champagne - Son 2008 Radio Flyer Sport Trike - Classic Red - Son 2008 Fisher-Price Power Wheels Lil' Kawasaki ATV - Green/Yellow - Son

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mbukukanyau 6.2 Liter LS9 Supercharged V8 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In front of my computer Drives: 2006 HHR 1995 Honda Pasport SUV Posts: 9,819	Re: Edmunds Spies 2011 Cruze The sooner people understand Edmunds editorial attitudes, the better they will be in equiphed to see this for what it is.

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BigAls87Z28 GMI Staff Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 10,597	Re: Edmunds Spies 2011 Cruze Well...not to point to the 800lbs gorilla in the room...but the "torsion beam" Cobalt SS turbo has the record for fastest production compact car around the 'Ring. __________________ Alexander Villani GMInsideNews Editor Email Me @BigAl@GMInsidenews.com Tweet Me @Twitter.com/BigAls87Z28 2009 Malibu LT 2.4 : 1987 Camaro Z28 : 1972 Camaro RS

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