Now we get to hear the stories of how this isn't going to work down in Texas or Phoenix or anywhere that is hot. Then the "what if's" of all the speculation without any evidence of his "worry" that GM, the auto manufacturer with no game plan in their powertrain division, is screwing up and he is deeply, deeply concerned. I would have questioned the troll on Ford's own start/stop system and how it is some how the world beater compared to GM's.
[QUOTE=hunchman;2949209]Or how about when you're on one of the world's busiest highways and traffic is near bumper to bumper for miles and a serious crash happens a half mile ahead of you. The traffic is backed up for 20 miles and it's 105 degrees outside.
CAN YOU TURN THIS STOP / START OFF?
The technology is set up so that it detects high usage due to extreme weather(AC etc.) and will not shut off, therefore you don't have to think you need some kind of silly manual override.
Before you assume there is a problem maybe we should wait for the facts.
Also for some other comments. This has some similarity to the BAS system but it's not the same. The first generation BAS system offered some electric assist under high load. Start/Stop does not.
The Start/Stop tech is a good upgrade that will be standard equipment on all vehicles in the near future but not sure it is going to "move the needle" when it comes to sales since it merely makes the Malibu's MPG ratings 25/36 "competitive" with Camry 25/35, Accord 26/36 and Altima 27/38 and only beats the Camry by 1 Hwy MPG.
Malibu is still trying to compete with Camry at a severe price handicap and the ECO model is made "redundant" by Start/Stop and is completely outclassed by the Camry Hybrid on price and MPG.
Price is a major factor in the mid-size segment and when Malibu and Camry "value" is compared Malibu falls short as shown below:
2014 Malibu Pricing - 2014 Camry*
Malibu LS $22,965 - $23,045 Camry L
Malibu 1LT $24,335 - $23,490 Camry LE
Malibu 2LT $26,040 - $24,210 Camry SE (add 8W Power Seat) $24,650
Malibu LTZ $28,515 - $25,665 Camry XLE
*Prices are for 2.5L models and include destination.
What is wrong with this picture?
The Camry and Malibu start out about the same Camry L vs Malibu LS but why are the best selling Camry trims (LE and SE) cheaper than comparable Malibu 1LT and 2LT to the point that the Camry LE is only marginally higher than the base Malibu LS but nearly $1,000 less than what should be it's Malibu 1LT rival. It only gets worse when the more popular Camry SE sells for less than the 1LT and is duplicated when the top line XLE is less than the mid-level 2LT Malibu and nearly $3,000 less than the top Malibu LTZ.
Why is the Camry LE Hybrid essentially the same price as a less capable Malibu ECO?
Malibu ECO $26,670 - $26,950 Camry LE Hybrid
Granted the Camry is not the most exciting drive or going to start any new styling trend, but it has a good reputation and has a huge customer base to keep it competitive at or near the top of the segment. Chevy needs to bring something truly significant to the segment AND present a better value if it is going to make a run at the top of the segment in sales, and that is what Chevy must do with Malibu to make Chevrolet a true competitor in today's mid-size CAR market.
I imagine that this system won't allow the engine to turn off unless there is adequate charge in the 12V to sustain the electronics. Once the charge is too low, the engine would kick back on. If you are sitting in traffic too long, the engine should kick on. How the A/c system is handled remains to be seen. I would assume if you had the A/C on max it should keep the engine running.
The thing to think about is that the 2.5L is inherently more efficient than the 2.4L is/was. If GM would get off their asses and pair the 2.5L with eAssist you'd see more improvements. Why bother with the 2.4L eAssist when they had the all new 2.5L coming out pretty much at the same time? 2.5L should have been paired with eAssist from the start.
I'm not sure if the eAssist models have regenerative braking or not, but that would be the other area of (possible) improvement.
Really it comes down to sitting in a Camry and seeing the plastic wasteland and deciding you want a car that doesn't look like an appliance. Even my mother-in-law who drove an 05 Camry until the end of last year (got totaled) didn't want the current Camry after looking at her sister's new one. It's bad when the family of Toyota drivers think your new Camry is bleh. (To be fair, her sister misses her '97 that also got totaled.)
I'm waiting for eAssist to be standard across all of GM's products. I do believe that one day it will. Some level of electrification has large benefits as a whole even if I think that electric cars are not the future due to our power grid infrastructure.
Bunch of pansy ass whining in this thread by negative nancys.
Why don't you stand on the table and scream louder in your high heels?
I've had start-stop since 2007 and it is flawless.
Period. End of story.
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Reads to me that you presumed there was a problem troll. Did you ever reply to the people that replied to your troll post? No, because your "worry" of this scary fear in Arizona was just a troll post.Quote:
Lets forget about Spain and Europe and stick to here. If you can't turn off the stop/start I see that to be enough to warrant scary fears in places like Arizona.
Most people in Spain are unemployed so their last concern is stop/start technology