2011 Chevy Cruze Interior Shown at Paris Auto Show

[fp115]

Originally Posted by lio45

GM.



That's where I disagree. Unlike you, I think it's important to make sure to compare apples to apples. This fine piece of GMDAT engineering has to be compared to the 2011 Mazda3, the 2011 Honda Civic, the 2011 Ford Focus, the 2011 Nissan Sentra, etc. if you want to be fair.

And I'm definitely not ready to claim in advance, as you seem to do, that the 2011 Civic is a "stale and cheap" competitor.

VW has begun release 2011 model pictures, Ford is going to be making way with their new Euro Focus,... The changes wouldn't be dramatic enough over the current model, simply because most of them have been refreshed lately. No company is going to lose billions of dollars to refresh their cars early. The Civic is still too new to be refreshed by the time the Cruze is released.

[TKR]

Originally Posted by lio45

That's where I disagree. Unlike you, I think it's important to make sure to compare apples to apples. This fine piece of GMDAT engineering has to be compared to the 2011 Mazda3, the 2011 Honda Civic, the 2011 Ford Focus, the 2011 Nissan Sentra, etc. if you want to be fair.

The design team was based in Korea but designers and engineers from all over the world were involved. Also, they will have used GM's Virtual Design Studios from different parts of the world to get a design that other markets were happy with.
If it had been designed in the US, it would have been LHD only and not catered at all for global markets (big engines, auto only etc).
Also, by the time it is released into the US market there could be changes made to compete with the 'new' cars due to be released at the same time. Would you rather GM not launch this car in other markets now but keep it until 2011 to see what everyone else does?

[Gm786]

Originally Posted by lio45

GM.



That's where I disagree. Unlike you, I think it's important to make sure to compare apples to apples. This fine piece of GMDAT engineering has to be compared to the 2011 Mazda3, the 2011 Honda Civic, the 2011 Ford Focus, the 2011 Nissan Sentra, etc. if you want to be fair.

And I'm definitely not ready to claim in advance, as you seem to do, that the 2011 Civic is a "stale and cheap" competitor.

I do agree that both or all apples should be compared but just take a look at the competition and to be more specific since you brought it up the "Honda Civic". The Honda Civic's interior looks like some total CRAP when compared to the new Cruze's interior.

Would you like to see it for your self? I guess so.....



Now tell me, would you call that a nice or welcoming interior? Absolutely NOT!
The Civic's interior looks very cheap and poorly designed for a Honda interior. And by the way, I don't like Honda interiors anyway and the seats are flat out hard like ROCKS and I know because my brother In-law has 2 Honds and the seats feel extremely hard no matter how much you adjust them.

You said that you have to compare "Apples to Apples" so there you go.... Oh and if you want to compare the rest of the new Cruze's competition, bring it on.

[Gm786]

Originally Posted by Eric77TA

I really like the Cruze. I think it's a huge step up from Cobalt (and I have a Cobalt, which I like, too). But Rick Wagoner said back in August when production of Cruze was announced for Lordstown that it would go into production in April 2010 as a 2011:

"Wagoner said GM will begin production of the Cruze at Lordstown in April 2010. It is to debut in Europe next spring."

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...SS01/808220353

What I'm really trying to say is that I hope that GM moves up the Chevy Cruze's schedule production date for the US market. As usual, overseas market's get the best things first. I think I need to move to the UK?

[jorgesalazar521@msn.com]

just an idea ----how about a bas+ on this thing or the lesser hybrid as on option 3-6 more miles can only make it that much better. bet no one at gm thought about that!shorsitedness rules at GM--- volt by the time it comes out 2-6 other similar hybrids will be coming out. Look at the camaro last to the party--mustang--challenger.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Gm786

Now tell me, would you call that a nice or welcoming interior?

I would call that an interior that was on North American dealership lots in September/October 2005, and I would be right.

If you want to keep playing this apples-to-bananas little game, I can produce pictures of, say, a MY2004 Honda interior and a MY1999 GM interior (precisely five model years apart, just like your own example, to make exactly as fair as comparison as yours) and you will see which one is superior.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by fp115

The Civic is still too new to be refreshed by the time the Cruze is released.

No, that's about the time when a new Civic is expected, according to most info out there. Civic product cycles have been pretty much like clockwork since the late 1970s (4 years for four generations, then 5 years for the last three).

In any case, the Cruze will be much closer to the next Civic in terms of intro date than it is to the current one... most of the Cruze's market life will be spent competing with the 9th gen Civic.

If you absolutely need to rejoice in finding the Cruze superior to the old Civic that's going bye bye shortly after the Cruze is released, then by all means just keep these rosy glasses, and you might even want to buy GM stock while at it.

[Gm786]

Originally Posted by lio45

I would call that an interior that was on North American dealership lots in September/October 2005, and I would be right.

If you want to keep playing this apples-to-bananas little game, I can produce pictures of, say, a MY2004 Honda interior and a MY1999 GM interior (precisely five model years apart, just like your own example, to make exactly as fair as comparison as yours) and you will see which one is superior.

Alright. I acknowledge that the image I previously posted is probably of a 05 or 06 Honda Civic but the fact doesn't change that it's interior is POORLY DESIGNED.

Here's a image of the 2009 Civic since you seem to be very picky even though there hasn't been any major changes to the interior when compared to 05 to the 09 interior.



Does that look good to you? It is indeed a very UGLY looking interior when compared to the new Chevy Cruze's interior.

[steve333]

Originally Posted by fp115

Good, so you are a Ford fan. But I fail to see how the Euro Focus, which we have all been seeing for a while now will be any better. Guess a bias makes you blind sighted.

Dude, I own a 2006 Cobalt and I have $1400 points on my GM Card.
Do I have to be a Ford fan to realize their company is managed better than GM and that their new products in the pipeline will be better than GMs?
Believe me, I wish it weren't true and that GM knows what they are doing. It is obvious to me that they don't have a clue. Changing the cars name , cheaping out on the design and suspension, leads me to believe that they screwed up. Again.

[steve333]

Originally Posted by Gm786

Take it easy there buddy! First of all, whoever said that GM was going to release the new Chevy Cruze as a 2011 model year car? Ya know it's possible that GM may decide to get it to the US before 2011 after all it's a very important car for GM including the Chevy Volt. Second of all, it's people like you and Steve333 that are currently drinking KOOLAID. Instead of constantly bashing the new Cruze especially when you take into consideration the light years ahead it is when compared to the stale and cheap design of the new Ford Focus, Toyota Corolla, and Dodge Caliber you can't deny the fact that GM is on a roll. I would you suggest you and a few other people who constantly bash the product that GM constantly pushes to the market to go and take a HIKE!

Terrific, the car that idn't available yet is light years ahead of the current Focus, Caliber, and Corolla. Yippee.
Unfortunately, its already behind the current Mazda 3, Civic, and Rabbit in terms if suspension design, and who knows how much further behind it will be than the next gen of those cars and the next gen Focus?
The Cruze is just no big deal-a dated suspension, awkward styling, fabric on the dashboard and the worst name in the car business.
I wish it weren't so, but I'm afraid it is.

[steve333]

Originally Posted by Gm786

Alright. I acknowledge that the image I previously posted is probably of a 05 or 06 Honda Civic but the fact doesn't change that it's interior is POORLY DESIGNED.

Here's a image of the 2009 Civic since you seem to be very picky even though there hasn't been any major changes to the interior when compared to 05 to the 09 interior.



Does that look good to you? It is indeed a very UGLY looking interior when compared to the new Chevy Cruze's interior.

The Civic's interior is ugly compared to just about anything. I could never buy a car and stare at an interior like that.
It looks like it was designed by a cross-eyed Mandrill.

[fp115]

Originally Posted by lio45

No, that's about the time when a new Civic is expected, according to most info out there. Civic product cycles have been pretty much like clockwork since the late 1970s (4 years for four generations, then 5 years for the last three).

In any case, the Cruze will be much closer to the next Civic in terms of intro date than it is to the current one... most of the Cruze's market life will be spent competing with the 9th gen Civic.

If you absolutely need to rejoice in finding the Cruze superior to the old Civic that's going bye bye shortly after the Cruze is released, then by all means just keep these rosy glasses, and you might even want to buy GM stock while at it.

You must be blind of something, the latest generation, 8th generation was released in 2006 as a 2007 model. They did an MCE for 2009 to which they said would prolong its life till the next model which is not getting any dramatic changes.

You seem to think that Honda sees the Cruze now and they can automatically change their upcoming Civic in 3 years to compete against the Cruze. Yet it takes a company that actually wants to change their cars 4-5 years to do so. Considering the Civic hasn't changed platform or hasn't had any huge changes in the past few generations, what makes you think they actually will this time around, that is what they need to compete against the Cruze. Honda has no powertrain that can hit the 45 mpg, non-hybrid and in that price range. How will this outclass the Cruze again?

Ford isn't getting much of a brand new car, they are simply getting their European version of the Focus. Everyone knows how it looks, the question is will it have the same powertrain (probably not). This will come out in 2010 as well.

Lastly, the Camry, which was released in 2007/2008 is intended to stick around till 2012. Is slated to keep the current platform.

Regardless of the Cruze being announced now, the only company with a chance to reverse its future products is Toyota, but they will be releasing their Camry a full 2 years after the Cruze is out. The Cruze will have the mpg, performance and handling advantage, while having a much better interior (which is arguably a thing of taste). Civics have been and always will be evolutionary, something the Cruze isn't which will allow it to stand out. Yes I have GM stocks, likely more than everyone on this forum combined.

[Canyonaro]

Originally Posted by lio45

I would call that an interior that was on North American dealership lots in September/October 2005, and I would be right.

If you want to keep playing this apples-to-bananas little game, I can produce pictures of, say, a MY2004 Honda interior and a MY1999 GM interior (precisely five model years apart, just like your own example, to make exactly as fair as comparison as yours) and you will see which one is superior.

Fine how about we compair the interior to European models that it competes with as of March 2009 when released to the public.

Look the point others are making is that the NA market is so stale and lifeless, in 2 years I still see this competitive if it isn't top rate by then. I think you give other automakers too much credit for the current interior directions they have.

[Canyonaro]

Originally Posted by steve333

Unfortunately, its already behind the current Mazda 3, Civic, and Rabbit in terms if suspension design, and who knows how much further behind it will be than the next gen of those cars and the next gen Focus?

It is more important then just a used and proven suspension. When was the last time a gas powered Mazda 3, Civic, or Rabbit got around 40mpg on the highway? Also look at the costs, and other various features. Some people are so shortsighted. I expect the SS model have a few changes to make it worth while.

Yes the Cruze isn't perfect and has some short comings, but some people here don't understand to the normal public that other things are more important.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by fp115

Honda has no powertrain that can hit the 45 mpg, non-hybrid and in that price range. How will this outclass the Cruze again?

Beat me to it, oh well maybe I should have read it all.

[benroethig]

Originally Posted by fp115

?Ford isn't getting much of a brand new car, they are simply getting their European version of the Focus. Everyone knows how it looks, the question is will it have the same powertrain (probably not). This will come out in 2010 as well.

Actually, its the new C2 focus that we get, not the c1 currently sold in europe.