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    Re: In the Garage: 2012 Chevrolet Traverse LTZ

    Quote Originally Posted by nsap View Post
    Hang on, what are you talking about?

    1) 2013 Lambda's will launch next fall. This is NOT a redesign, just a MCE.

    2) The 2.0T is under consideration for the NEXT-GENERATION models, not the 2013's.

    3) What does Edge have to do with Lambda?
    I am thinking we will see a new interior and new layout inside? I would love for them to drop the plastic cladding around the Traverse.
    What do you think the MCE will involve?

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    Re: In the Garage: 2012 Chevrolet Traverse LTZ

    Quote Originally Posted by nsap View Post
    Hang on, what are you talking about?

    1) 2013 Lambda's will launch next fall. This is NOT a redesign, just a MCE.

    2) The 2.0T is under consideration for the NEXT-GENERATION models, not the 2013's.

    3) What does Edge have to do with Lambda?
    My statement that got this started was: “The Edge is 12 months into its re-fresh and the Lambda updates are still distant and un-clear…...”
    You then said:
    Quote Originally Posted by nsap View Post
    The updated Lambda's will be out in a year, that is not too unclear.
    And then “others” to be left un-named, piled on with typical childish smart aleck comments……

    I know the 2013 Lambda’s are due out in a year and it is just a MCE, but we haven’t had a lot to work with so far, GM's history has been to “show off their new stuff when they have something we might want to see” I fear it’s going to be like the extensive updates the Impala received, or didn't receive, which were basically released the day before (or the day after) the first one rolled off the end of the assembly line.

    The Edge doesn't have a lot to do with the Lambda, other than it is a CUV, albeit 5-passenger, that came out in the end of 2006 like the Lambda’s.

    I've complimented GM on the ability to maintain Lambda sales and keep incentives low, but most times I do asterisk that statement with the closing of SH and the major cut in production/forecast that resulted as a significant reason.

    I want to like it, and I’m still eagerly waiting for some numbers on the “Easy to get good real world fuel economy.”

    I guess I should just expect a hard time …. “A GM guy that loves Toyota’s ( ) driving a couple Fiat’s” but it’s funny that I get treated worse than others, that fake who they are and hide what they own and drive.

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    Re: In the Garage: 2012 Chevrolet Traverse LTZ

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    6" W/B and 8" Overall Actually.........

    You really don't consider these to be in the same class?





    Exactly..........

    See here:

    Drive them both. They are not close to the same. It's about like driving a trail blazer ext verses a tahoe. There is a noticable difference in room and size. Look at the length and wheelbase differences as well as the third row volume. I have driven the both a pretty good amount (we have explorers at work and Lambda's as rentals), there s a huge difference in room, specifically in width. Sometimes the way things are measured don't show the real world. For example note the way width is measured in your chart. It's tread to tread which has nothing to do with interior width. Some people in here have already talked about it but measure the distance between the front seats. Your much more shoulder to shoulder with the explorer.
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    Re: In the Garage: 2012 Chevrolet Traverse LTZ

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post

    I know the 2013 Lambda’s are due out in a year and it is just a MCE, but we haven’t had a lot to work with so far, GM's history has been to “show off their new stuff when they have something we might want to see” I fear it’s going to be like the extensive updates the Impala received, or didn't receive, which were basically released the day before (or the day after) the first one rolled off the end of the assembly line.

    Take Care,
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    Since this post I have seen the 2013 Enclave, the Lambda updates are more extensive than I previously thought. There is little question that that they will remain at the top of the segment.
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    Re: In the Garage: 2012 Chevrolet Traverse LTZ

    Quote Originally Posted by nsap View Post
    Since this post I have seen the 2013 Enclave, the Lambda updates are more extensive than I previously thought. There is little question that that they won't remain at the top of the segment.
    Any word on the Cadillac Lambda variant, or on if the LFX variant used will be the same output as the SRX?

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    Re: In the Garage: 2012 Chevrolet Traverse LTZ

    Quote Originally Posted by germeezy1 View Post
    Any word on the Cadillac Lambda variant, or on if the LFX variant used will be the same output as the SRX?
    The Cadillac is still a long time off. People are getting the MCE and redesign confused. The redesign is 2015/2016, which is when the Cadillac will launch. No one in their right mind would want a Cadillac off of today's Lambda chassis. It's too weak to deal with more than the LFX. The Cadillac Lambda needs the LF3 (TTV6).

    No idea on the LFX output. Historically the 3.6 has always been on the high side in the Lambdas due to air flow, so I would assume that will continue.
    Last edited by nsap; 09-27-2011 at 01:20 PM.
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    Re: In the Garage: 2012 Chevrolet Traverse LTZ

    Quote Originally Posted by nsap View Post
    The Cadillac is still a long time off. People are getting the MCE and redesign confused. The redesign is 2015/2016, which is when the Cadillac will launch. No one in their right mind would want a Cadillac off of today's Lambda chassis. It's too weak to deal with more than the LFX. The Cadillac Lambda needs the LF3 (TTV6).

    No idea on the LFX output. Historically the 3.6 has always been on the high side in the Lambdas due to air flow, so I would assume that will continue.
    Thank you for the information, I know this is only the MCE but did not know if they revealed any info about future plans. I guess I can quit dreaming about a Gen V DI V8 for the Cadillac Lambda variant or for an Enclave Super model.

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    Re: In the Garage: 2012 Chevrolet Traverse LTZ

    Quote Originally Posted by germeezy1 View Post
    Thank you for the information, I know this is only the MCE but did not know if they revealed any info about future plans. I guess I can quit dreaming about a Gen V DI V8 for the Cadillac Lambda variant or for an Enclave Super model.
    Yeah. If Enclave gets any higher output engine, it will be the TTV6.
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    Re: In the Garage: 2012 Chevrolet Traverse LTZ

    Quote Originally Posted by spd98 View Post
    Drive them both. They are not close to the same. It's about like driving a trail blazer ext verses a Tahoe. There is a noticeable difference in room and size. Look at the length and wheelbase differences as well as the third row volume. I have driven the both a pretty good amount (we have explorers at work and Lambda's as rentals), there s a huge difference in room, specifically in width. Sometimes the way things are measured don't show the real world. For example note the way width is measured in your chart. It's tread to tread which has nothing to do with interior width. Some people in here have already talked about it but measure the distance between the front seats. Your much more shoulder to shoulder with the explorer.
    We'll agree to disagree, I never said they were the EXACT same size!

    So now if two cars drive different they are in a different class!?

    If you go to a Chevy dealer and tell them you want a 3-Row SUV, where do the point you? Traverse, Tahoe, Suburban

    If you go to a Ford dealer and tell them you want a 3-Row SUV, where do the point you? Explorer, Expedition, Expedition EL

    I'm not even going to ask you to Mfg. Class 2-door sports cars, because by your criteria, you'd have a different class for almost every brand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    The Edge is 12 months into its re-fresh and the Lambda updates are still distant and un-clear...........
    Quote Originally Posted by nsap View Post
    Since this post I have seen the 2013 Enclave, the Lambda updates are more extensive than I previously thought. There is little question that that they will remain at the top of the segment.
    Thanks for the info, and confirming that we are indeed "un-clear" of said changes.

    Def: Distant, Far away in space or time. (again I was comparing the release of said vehicle and its update status comparing the Edge which came out at the same time)
    Def: Un-clear, Not obvious or definite.

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    Re: In the Garage: 2012 Chevrolet Traverse LTZ

    Quote Originally Posted by nsap View Post
    Since this post I have seen the 2013 Enclave, the Lambda updates are more extensive than I previously thought. There is little question that that they will remain at the top of the segment.
    A New Interior?

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    Re: In the Garage: 2012 Chevrolet Traverse LTZ

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    A New Interior?
    New front clip, new interior and new technology.
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    Re: In the Garage: 2012 Chevrolet Traverse LTZ

    Does the new content bring up the Enclave to current Buick standards, or are there some things totally new to Buick- heck, even GM- in there?

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    Re: In the Garage: 2012 Chevrolet Traverse LTZ

    Quote Originally Posted by matt.w View Post
    Does the new content bring up the Enclave to current Buick standards, or are there some things totally new to Buick- heck, even GM- in there?
    Most of the new features are not "new" to GM. Over the next couple of years you will see technology proliferate the GM lineup quickly for cheap prices. An example of this is GM offering Land Departure Warning and Forward Collision Alert as a $295 option on the 2012 Equinox/Terrain.

    You guys will like the new Enclave design. For as good as the current one looks, the new one is about 10x better.
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    Re: In the Garage: 2012 Chevrolet Traverse LTZ

    Quote Originally Posted by nsap View Post
    Most of the new features are not "new" to GM. Over the next couple of years you will see technology proliferate the GM lineup quickly for cheap prices. An example of this is GM offering Land Departure Warning and Forward Collision Alert as a $295 option on the 2012 Equinox/Terrain.

    You guys will like the new Enclave design. For as good as the current one looks, the new one is about 10x better.
    Hate you When do we hear about this stuff?

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    Re: In the Garage: 2012 Chevrolet Traverse LTZ

    Quote Originally Posted by nsap View Post
    Most of the new features are not "new" to GM. Over the next couple of years you will see technology proliferate the GM lineup quickly for cheap prices. An example of this is GM offering Land Departure Warning and Forward Collision Alert as a $295 option on the 2012 Equinox/Terrain.

    You guys will like the new Enclave design. For as good as the current one looks, the new one is about 10x better.
    If I can get an Enclave with Mylink and 7 passager sitting for around $36K... I might not even wait for the Chevrolet redesign.

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