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    CT6: the Good, the Bad and the Ugly...

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    Re: CT6: the Good, the Bad and the Ugly...

    That was a reasonably insightful summation of CT6, I can't find much to disagree with, but the CT6 I drive sometimes (Mom's car) doesn't have the issue with the Panaray Bose system the reviewer had.

    Interior switch gear should be Cadillac specific in my opinion, not GM parts bin sourced and should be made of machined metal, no excuses. Upgraded adjustability for seating is a no brainer as well. The rear view camera in rain is an issue as the reviewer stated, but it can be reverted to a standard traditional auto-dimming rear view mirror, so it's a minor point.

    That said, this car is insanely fast and manœuverable, and drives as a much smaller car.

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    Re: CT6: the Good, the Bad and the Ugly...

    Nice article.

    But what may be more telling; I'm gassing up the Chevy in Commerce Township, and asked the lady in front of me how she liked her CT6.

    She gave me a very clearly positive wide-eyed nod. I asked, "You like it VERY MUCH?"

    Another very wide eyed firm nod, with a set jaw.

    There wasn't a sliver of remorse.

    That kind of thing sells cars to her acquaintances. IF they don't fall apart, interior warts and all, it will be popular.

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    Re: CT6: the Good, the Bad and the Ugly...

    How can the Writer say that the SRX didn't make much progress in its segment,when it was second to the Lexus RX in the Mid-Sized Luxury SUV Sales category,and was Cadillac's Best Selling Vehicle for several years? What other Cadillac Model has as large a share of its segment?

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    Re: CT6: the Good, the Bad and the Ugly...

    So just a general question on the switchgear. If you didn't know it was a part shared with a Chevy, would you notice it? Meaning there is a good chance people buying this car never set foot in a Chevy and ignorance is bliss. So is it the quality isn't good enough or it is just that you know it is a shared part?

    Or a question with BMW... In Europe my understanding is the bulk of the 3 Series sales are low end, cloth seat, tiny engine non-luxury cars. Do these same low end models share the same window switches with the higher end models sold in the USA? If they do, is that ok being the low end BMW's are the equivalent of the Chevy?

    I think GM should make the effort to distance themselves from Chevy and not use the same bits, but just throwing this different POV out there.

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    Re: CT6: the Good, the Bad and the Ugly...

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    So just a general question on the switchgear. If you didn't know it was a part shared with a Chevy, would you notice it? Meaning there is a good chance people buying this car never set foot in a Chevy and ignorance is bliss. So is it the quality isn't good enough or it is just that you know it is a shared part?

    Or a question with BMW... In Europe my understanding is the bulk of the 3 Series sales are low end, cloth seat, tiny engine non-luxury cars. Do these same low end models share the same window switches with the higher end models sold in the USA? If they do, is that ok being the low end BMW's are the equivalent of the Chevy?

    I think GM should make the effort to distance themselves from Chevy and not use the same bits, but just throwing this different POV out there.
    Totally a fair point, there is no, shall we say, visceral content to Cadillac's important interior touch points. I've been lucky to spend some time in the Jag F-Pace and Audi Q7 this week while I help AG with SUV of the Year, and both those cars give you a feeling of special before you even put the car in gear. The doors thud nice first of all, and the start buttons have this tactile crispness, it's almost a weight that just feels premium. The CT6's is literally identical to the Cruze's, at least slap a coat of gloss on it or something...

    Look at Mercedes though who takes a top down approach. Even the Euro stripper C200 SE comes with metal switchgear.
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    Re: CT6: the Good, the Bad and the Ugly...

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    So just a general question on the switchgear. If you didn't know it was a part shared with a Chevy, would you notice it? Meaning there is a good chance people buying this car never set foot in a Chevy and ignorance is bliss. So is it the quality isn't good enough or it is just that you know it is a shared part?

    Or a question with BMW... In Europe my understanding is the bulk of the 3 Series sales are low end, cloth seat, tiny engine non-luxury cars. Do these same low end models share the same window switches with the higher end models sold in the USA? If they do, is that ok being the low end BMW's are the equivalent of the Chevy?

    I think GM should make the effort to distance themselves from Chevy and not use the same bits, but just throwing this different POV out there.
    With respect to your different point of view, I think in the case of Cadillac, the switch gear should be made of machined metal. That won't ever be mistaken for something plebeian. Cadillac needs to 'raise the standard' on this issue.

    So far as BMW is concerned, I'm only familiar with BMWs sold by BMW USA.

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    Re: CT6: the Good, the Bad and the Ugly...

    A+ writeup, probably the only car reviews I actually enjoy reading.

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    Until Cadillac aligns what it says with what it does, the brand will continue on inadequately, achingly close to achieving its dreams, yet still maddeningly off the mark.
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    Re: CT6: the Good, the Bad and the Ugly...

    Quote Originally Posted by bmwboy2007 View Post
    Interior switch gear should be Cadillac specific in my opinion, not GM parts bin sourced and should be made of machined metal, no excuses.
    I completely agree. The switches, buttons, and knobs can be the same, if the mechanical feel is up-to-par, but the physical parts you touch should be distinct and of premium materials--especially the parts that get touched. Cadillac should have a goal of eliminating as much plastic as possible, by wrapping surfaces in more opulent finishes. And cliche things like the sides of the seat bottoms could actually have functional exposed metal bits instead of being constructed from black painted sheet metal stampings, and then hidden behind an ill-fitting, creaky plastic cover.

    Sadly, Cadillac thinks that if they charge more money for everything and tell people they are now from NY, it will convince the masses of their true luxury heritage. Sweat the details and people will seek you out. Charge nearly the same as class leaders like Mercedes without the metal to back it up, and it doesn't matter where you're from, people will not jump ship for that.

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    Re: CT6: the Good, the Bad and the Ugly...

    Now just imagine. Had the CT6 been more of a four door Elmiraj in the styling department, almost none of these things would be mentioned.

    I know they are two different classes of vehicles but when I bought my 2005 300C back in 2004 and it was something no one had ever seen before, everyone (even high end luxury car owners) were stopping me, taking pictures and complimenting the car. Almost EVERYONE that could talk to me about it did. Completely wowed about it! Now that it's over a decade old (still in excellent condition) I ask myself how did this car ever get away with a $45+K price tag with this interior.
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    A+ writeup, probably the only car reviews I actually enjoy reading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmwboy2007 View Post
    With respect to your different point of view, I think in the case of Cadillac, the switch gear should be made of machined metal. That won't ever be mistaken for something plebeian. Cadillac needs to 'raise the standard' on this issue.

    So far as BMW is concerned, I'm only familiar with BMWs sold by BMW USA.
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    Re: CT6: the Good, the Bad and the Ugly...

    Quote Originally Posted by RedSkyBlackDream View Post
    Now just imagine. Had the CT6 been more of a four door Elmiraj in the styling department, almost none of these things would be mentioned.
    GM Should just look away from the Germans and just make Cadillac its own instead of chasing Nürburgring-tuned German Premium Sports sedans.


    The "new for 2017" Continental which GM fans dismissed as an overpriced Buick Lacrosse competitor (because of its FWD-AWD platform vs Cadillac CT6's RWD-based platform) is actually doing better than expected.
    What most people overlooked was its spec sheet which lists standard and optional luxury features comparable to Cadillac's.


    Having the Continental's price overlap that of both the CTS and CT6 might sound like a failure to those who believed in the idea that "it was just an overpriced Buick competitor", but good sales numbers must mean there is a market for Lincoln's "quiet luxury" concept, not everybody wants a German Sports sedan-style luxury car.

    January 2017 sales:
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    Re: CT6: the Good, the Bad and the Ugly...

    Quote Originally Posted by sfbreh View Post
    A+ writeup, probably the only car reviews I actually enjoy reading.
    I concur, much more entertaining than the normal cut and paste review you read everywhere today. Kudos!

    Overall a very fair assessment. While the chassis and 3.0TT are strengths, there are areas for improvement. I have been saying on here for some time the mishmash of interior materials are a train-wreck. I still can't believe that it was approved for production, until I wake up and realize we are talking about Cadillac.

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