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Old 05-22-2007, 01:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Worldwide Emissions Rate of Increase 3-times Higher than 1990s

The intent of the Kyoto treaty was for all of the countries to get together and REDUCE the amount of CO2 being emitted into the air. So, what impact has all of this good intention had?

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An open-access paper published this week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences shows that worldwide CO2 emissions increased between 2000 and 2004 at a rate that is nearly three times the rate of increase of the 1990s. The rate increased from 1.1% per year during the 1990s to 3.1% per year in the early 2000s.

In the unfolding reality since 2000, the average global carbon intensity of energy has actually deteriorated (increased) and no region is showing signs of decarbonizing its energy supply. The emissions growth rate since 2000 was greater than for the most fossil-fuel intensive of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change emissions scenarios developed in the late 1990s....

The acceleration of carbon emissions is greatest in the exploding economies of developing regions, particularly China, where the increases mainly reflect increasing per capita gross domestic product.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007...of_c.html#more

That's right. Not only are CO2 emmissions not going down; not only are they not increasing like before; no, they actually are increasing, and at a rate faster than before Kyoto. Furthermore, there is no end to this acceleration in sight:

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In the IEO2007 reference case, which does not include specific policies to limit greenhouse gas emissions, energy-related carbon dioxide emissions are projected to rise from 26.9 billion metric tons in 2004 to 33.9 billion metric tons in 2015 and 42.9 billion metric tons in 2030.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007...ects.html#more

26.9 billion tons to 42.9 bilion tons. That is a 61.5% increase in emissions in 26 years. And keep in mind, according to Kyoto, we are supposed to be reducing emmissions to below 1990 levels. What a joke.

Somehow I don't think using one square is going to help matters.
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Old 05-22-2007, 02:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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good find! either countries don’t care and just SAY they are going along with the treaty, or whatever environmental steps it was making countries do, actually cause more Co2.......
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The intent of the Kyoto treaty was for all of the countries to get together and REDUCE the amount of CO2 being emitted into the air. So, what impact has all of this good intention had?

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007...of_c.html#more

That's right. Not only are CO2 emmissions not going down; not only are they not increasing like before; no, they actually are increasing, and at a rate faster than before Kyoto. Furthermore, there is no end to this acceleration in sight:

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007...ects.html#more

26.9 billion tons to 42.9 bilion tons. That is a 61.5% increase in emissions in 26 years. And keep in mind, according to Kyoto, we are supposed to be reducing emmissions to below 1990 levels. What a joke.

Somehow I don't think using one square is going to help matters.
Great find as usual HoosierRon

These increases probably have nothing to do with all of the old steel mills from the rust belt getting shipped to China or the Kyoto treaty giving a free pass to "developing" countries to pollute all they wanted.

Of course the supporters of this joke of a treaty were to busy chasing SUV's around town to notice.

We need an agreement that will actually do something that ALL industrial countries MUST follow or face major trade tariffs or some kind of deterent.

Developing countries have a labor cost advantage and they do not need to destroy the GLOBAL environment to make this advantage larger.

That is what always gets me going with this "Global Warming" stuff, why are the only SOLUTIONS targeted at the U.S. and Europe?
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Re: Worldwide Emissions Rate of Increase 3-times Higher than 1990s

we're all gonna die. I just know it.
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Old 05-22-2007, 10:18 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Its the chinese and other third world countries, not us that is the problem. Saw an article on the front page of USA Today, today.
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Re: Worldwide Emissions Rate of Increase 3-times Higher than 1990s

Now all the idiots who could'nt understand why we wouldn't sign such a worthless treaty that doesn't include China, India and all the other 3rd world countries as they are solely responsible for the increases in emissions. But hey, Iran will soon have peaceful, clean burning nuclear power plants to reduce emissions and light the jail cells of all those British Sailors.

We need an evironmental tax for China and the other big polluters who try to import dirt cheap products into our country as a means to encourage them to pollute less. In the mean time, Mayor Bloomberg will solve all the worlds problems with hybrid taxis...woo-hoo!...

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Unless you've been to China or some place similar like I have, you can't appreciate what "emissions" are. Try getting nauseated to the point where you're searching for a place to hurl by simply walking around outside for a couple of hours in downtown Guangzhou. The sky looks like a perpetual mist cloud is hanging over it, not brown like the "smog" you'd expect, but just white that blocks out the sun.
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Old 05-23-2007, 08:12 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Finally!! the finger pointing isn't at USA any more.
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Old 05-23-2007, 09:14 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Yearly population increases which translates to more and more cars on the road and more and more pollution from all these extra factories to meet extra demand translates into more pollution each year. We are going to bring about our own destruction in the upcoming centurys.
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I wish Vegas would start a betting pool that in 20 years that C02 is either a significant factor in global warming or that it was a natural warming cycle. That would be right about the time I'd like to retire... With all they hype surrounding it, I'm guessing it would be a 20 or 30 to 1 odds bet for natural warming cycle.... I like those odds a lot!
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Forsaken 3rd world countries polluting our earth! The reality of the matter is, if the developed civilized world doesn't act and threatens India and China with economical sanctions nothing will improve!
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But hey, Iran will soon have peaceful, clean burning nuclear power plants to reduce emissions and light the jail cells of all those British Sailors.
HAHA Oh that's the quote of the day.

We can expect to see numbers like this for the majority of the remainder of the century. Until renewable enegry gets a firm foothold - enough so that it spreads into developing nations - CO2 emissions will continue to rise. The increase in rate will probably not hold up, because global economic expansion is slowing. But technology advances will never be able to keep up with population increase until we can 100% clean energy generation becomes widespread.
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GM (and others) are selling lots of cars to millions (soon to be billions) of Chinese and Indians that never owned one before. Of course emissions are going up, duh.
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Yearly population increases which translates to more and more cars on the road and more and more pollution from all these extra factories to meet extra demand translates into more pollution each year. We are going to bring about our own destruction in the upcoming centurys.
That's the real problem no one wants to talk about. 6 billion people on the planet all of whom need and use resources and another 4 billion more people will be added by 2050. It's going to get interesting.
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Unless you've been to China or some place similar like I have, you can't appreciate what "emissions" are. Try getting nauseated to the point where you're searching for a place to hurl by simply walking around outside for a couple of hours in downtown Guangzhou. The sky looks like a perpetual mist cloud is hanging over it, not brown like the "smog" you'd expect, but just white that blocks out the sun.

the US still emits far more carbon dioxide. Smog is probably worse for the health of inhabitants, but does not imply that China is a greater contributor to global warming than is the US.

that said, I strongly feel the US will take Europes lead in leveling off production of Carbon Dioxide. China, on the other hand, seems to be in a "grow at all costs" mindset. Win the race even if it means breaking your leg in the process. We struggle with energy consumption and emissions from 300 million inhabitants. What happens when India and China ... at TEN times our population combined and half the world's population between them ... get in on the lifestyle? Not a pretty picture, by any means.

But hey ... it was apparently real important for us to help them achieve a system that's more democratic and capitalist. We seem to be doing the same thing in the Middle East. The only saving grace in this world is that, in the past, it was only about 10% of the global population doing all the consuming. If there were 6 billion Americans on the globe in 1920, I suspect we'd have been clean out of oil in about 1950.
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