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Wagoner announces GM layoffs
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Re: Wagner annouces GM layoffs
this is result of pole on same page of that article, asking what would be needed to turn GM around. limited options i think.
More job cuts 8% Better cars 63% New management 21% A merger 7% |
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Re: Wagner announces GM layoffs
Wagoner said that, for now, GM is committed to trying to cut health care costs in cooperation with the union.
Cut helt care costs? Just cut the Union. Thats all!
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Re: Wagner announces GM layoffs
wish that pole would have had options of "cut out UAW" and "open peoples eyes to the truth about gm products".
UAW has had it too good for too long, they have benifits well above national standard, and yet they feel they have right to these benefits. for example just recently the UAW allowed DCX to require employees to pay $5-10 deductible for dr vists. while the rest of us have been paying deductibles for years, and some of us are up to $35 a visit now. If domestic automakers ever had an entity to blame, i'd put it square on the shoulders of the greedy UAW that has a strangle hold on them. With current laws in place, and OSCA monitoring worker safety, the union is something of the past. it use to be that the union was the small guy fighting a huge corporation, but now its sole purpose is to demand every penny out of companys and nothing more. Last edited by IMPALAon20s : 06-07-2005 at 11:45 AM. |
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I saw this on CNN.com. I'm suprised how many people still think GM makes horrible cars. I know there have been some real turds in the past few years but it looks like they're turning the corner w/ some new exciting rides: Solstice G6 Coupe / Vert H3 HHR?? Colbalt Monte Carlo SS (I wish I could add Camaro : )I hope eventually they can shed the misconception and get back on track. |
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Re: Wagner announces GM layoffs
In that poll, if a choice had been "Wear Fake Moustaches To Boost Morale" 10% of people would vote for that.
How about an option that says "Get People to Realize What Great Cars GM is Making Right Now"
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Re: Wagner announces GM layoffs
It's the products stupid! We all know that. DCX has the union to contend with (maybe worse in Europe) and they are making money. Chevy has a great small and midsized car. They need a good large FWD car with AWD option to compete with the imports and a good RWD sedan and Coupe combo to compete with Ford and Dodge. Then Chevy cars are done. The plan to fix Pontiac / Buick / Saturn sounds good if they can execute truely "unique personalities" for these divisions that go head to head with their import competitors. Cadillac just needs to build on what it is already doing. I can't comment on SUVs / Trucks since that is not my thing.
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Re: Wagner announces GM layoffs
Sounds like GM has a plan to put SERIOUS leverage into their next UAW negotiations in Sept 07. "Give us Health care relief or 25,000 will lose their jobs WITHOUT 95% lay off pay. Strike if you must as we(GM) are doomed without this relief!!" Woo Bay-bee!!
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Re: Wagner announces GM layoffs
Tico wrote: "DCX has the union to contend with (maybe worse in Europe) and they are making money."
No, I think in Europe, the government's socialized medicine programs, not DCX, pays the exorbitant health care costs
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Re: Wagner announces GM layoffs
Leverage is a key isssue here. I'm sure a strike would still shut down most of GM's operatoins if things get ugly, but it may not be 100% crippling like it would have bee 10-15-20 years ago.
Now more than then, GM has more parts produced oversees, engines (GM just announced last week I think of building more engine plants in China..and the 3.4 is built there already), and some cars are even totally produced in other countries (Canada and Mexico). Lets not forget about Holden in Australia, where the GTO comes from. By late 2007-2008, GM may be able to produce a trickle of cars even if the unions shut down North American operations. If not...like someone else said...they are close to losing money on their cars now...if the workers strike...then they don't have to pay them. |
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Re: Wagner announces GM layoffs
i say let UAW contract expire, wish it would expire sooner. and let them strike, public wont have sympothy for them with their greedy attitude. even wagner sounded like he doesn't expect uaw to compramise with him.
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Re: Wagner announces GM layoffs
Where is the plan?
Is it really "lets keep shrinking the company"? The Unions are a small part of the problem; the real challenge is producing products everyone wants to buy. GM needs to fix their product mix and marketing big time. They need a bold plan to excite consumers and it's workforce. Killing off projects and shrinking the company without a plan doesn’t make sense to me. GM management made this mess, I’d make them the first of the 25,000 out the door. |
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Re: Wagner annouces GM layoffs
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