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Toshiba's New Lithium-Ion Battery Recharges in Only One Minute
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2.2 Liter ECOTEC
Join Date: Nov 2004
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Re: Toshiba's New Lithium-Ion Battery Recharges in Only One Minute
Wow, that's amazing, I can think of a hundred applications off the top of my head, but the important part too.... how expensive is it to make?
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Re: Toshiba's New Lithium-Ion Battery Recharges in Only One Minute
I'll take one in my laptop!
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Re: Toshiba's New Lithium-Ion Battery Recharges in Only One Minute
Ill take one for my laptop, PDA, digital camera, cellphone....hell, good use for a hybrid car, may really help boost the effeciency!
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5.3 Liter LS4 V8
Join Date: May 2004
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Re: Toshiba's New Lithium-Ion Battery Recharges in Only One Minute
"Supercharged Battery".
Forced induction on a battery that small isn't good. They should have used a turbo. The s.c. probably knocked 50 decawatts off the batteries power numbers right off the top! |
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6.0 Liter Vortec V8
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Re: Toshiba's New Lithium-Ion Battery Recharges in Only One Minute
I read about this somewhere a while ago. I heard it's all good, but it runs really hot.
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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Re: Toshiba's New Lithium-Ion Battery Recharges in Only One Minute
Put one in my iBook and call me tickled pink!
It's only natural that batteries would get to the point where if your laptop dies, you plug it in and within 5 minutes you have 4-5 more hours of usage. A heck of a lot better than it taking 30-60 minutes for most laptops to recoop all of it's battery power. |
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Join Date: Jul 2004
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Re: Toshiba's New Lithium-Ion Battery Recharges in Only One Minute
Well I partly agree with you, FoMoCo. I think we should have full battery electric cars available with new technologies like this. BUT, I do beleive thatwe should still continue pursuing Hydrogen also. This is good. Very interesting..charges in only one minute...but how long does it run?
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5.3 Liter LS4 V8
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Re: Toshiba's New Lithium-Ion Battery Recharges in Only One Minute
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Re: Toshiba's New Lithium-Ion Battery Recharges in Only One Minute
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3.8 Liter Supercharged V6
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Re: Toshiba's New Lithium-Ion Battery Recharges in Only One Minute
Some quick analysis.
The backup battery in the latest Toyota Prius has a total of 168 NiMH 1.2 V cells, which are organized serially to get 200 V. Total capacity of the battery is 6.6 Ah which means each cell in the array is rated at the same 6.6 Ah or 6600 mAh. Lead acid batteries are capable of up to 100 Ah, but at much lower 12 V, that is 17 times as low. So, total energy of the Prius' battery is in fact higher in comparison to a standard lead acid one. Now this new Li-Ion cell from Toshiba is rated at 3.6 V 600 mAh, so in order to get the desired 200 V, you need to combine 55 Li-Ion cells in series, which is three times as low comparing to NiMH cells. The capacity of this Li-Ion cell is far from 6600 mAh, but it's only 1/3 as thick as the most capable prismatic Li-Ion batteries, rated at the same 1800 mAh as 3 thinner ones. And cylindrical Li-Ion series are rated at even higher 2200 mAh while occupying the same volume. As the total weight of the Prius' battery is 45 Kg, each of 168 1.2V 6600 mAh NiMH cells used there weighs around 220 g, and 3.6 V 2200 mAh Li-Ion cell is only 50 g. To make up the desired 6600 mAh capacity, you need to use 3 parallel 200 V arrays each containing 55 Li-Ion cells. So it seems like the 200 V 6.6 Ah battery will use around 170 standard cells in either configuration, but Li-Ion version will be around 4.5 times lighter. Suggesting that the Prius uses standard D-size cylindrical NiMH cells (D33 mm, H60 mm, 220 g), both prismatic and cylindrical Li-Ion cells will also occupy only one third of the volume. Which means you can replace NiMH cells with Li-Ion cells right now to get 3 times as much energy in the same volume and twice as low weight. Now to the charging current. Modern NiMH cells can be charged with 1C curent at 1 hour, which means Prius battery could possibly be recharged by a 220V 7A power outlet for something around 1 hour as well. Li-Ion batteries can be charged in the same manner as well. I'd expect the promoted decrease in charging time to be attribute to new materials and technology, not the increased charge current, so dissipated heat shouldn't increase substantially. But even if the new cell runs hotter, I believe it can still be safely charged with say C/5 current for 5x the charging time, just like any cell before. Taking all this into account and considering increased temperature range and longevity, this cell is a clear winner for electric vehicle application to me! Now this is where economies of scale could make somewhat larger and capable cells more practical due to additional cost savings. More to read: Toyota measuring "time on the lot" for Prius in HOURS - But is it all just Hype? Mitsubishi Motors to drive forward development of next-generation EVs Last edited by DmitryKo : 09-28-2005 at 02:19 PM. |
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Re: Toshiba's New Lithium-Ion Battery Recharges in Only One Minute
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Thanks for all the info. |
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