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4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: New York
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Questioning Our Brand Strategy?
Christopher Barger
Director, GM Global Communications Technology Quote:
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5.3 Liter LS4 V8
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Re: Questioning Our Brand Strategy?
Outlook, Acadia, Enclave, and now...Traverse, not to mention 9-6 and a Cadillac version that could be coming.
Lets go back in time a few years... Uplander, Montana, Relay, and Terazza or Trailblazer, Envoy, 9-7, Ranier and (Bravada) or Intrigue, Regal, Grand Prix, Lumina To me, all these groups are equally similar - sounds like empty rhetoric to me. Enclave should have been avail with an Ultra V8 at launch and a leather wrapped dash, and the GMC needed a standard V8 with a 6K towing capacity and integral ramp. Anyone catch that the Audi Q7 can tow 6K? And Saturn's version should have been a minivan. Chevy's version should be available with traditional or sliding doors. Thats differentiation.
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3.8 Liter Supercharged V6
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Re: Questioning Our Brand Strategy?
I think everybody realizes (except for some writers or Buick & Pontiac haters who live with their parents) that dropping a brand would hurt GM terribly. Sales would be lost, and never be recouped. It would send a message that GM is giving up, and GM would lose even more customers.
It sounds like Buick, Caddy and Chevy have bright futures with new products coming: the Camaro, Velite, CTS coupe, etc. Pontiac needs to be cleaned up: Torrent should be a Buick or GMC, and bring back real names. |
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4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Re: Questioning Our Brand Strategy?
I've always been for better using the brands they have, not dropping brands.
I think the B-P-GMC strategy is brilliant. But the Lambda execution within this strategy isn't the best. I suspect that the Acadia was approved before the channels were combined. And GMC isn't making a whole lot of sense just yet. Look at the Acadia. Is it the sportiest Lambda? The truckiest Lambda? Seems a bit of both. Is GMC about upscale trucks? Or sporty trucks? I know where Buick's going and where Pontiac's going. I guess GMC is the truck counterpart to both Buick luxury and Buick sportiness. But then when both Buick and GMC have vehicles off the same platform...
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5.3 Liter Vortec V8
Join Date: Jul 2005
Drives: 2006 Fusion Orange Metallic Pontiac G6 GTP Coupe
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Re: Questioning Our Brand Strategy?
I agree... when it comes to the Lambdas, it does get a little cloudy with the overlapping and the direction of each.
But this Lambda project was taken on right in the mix of the of the whole "turn around plan", so if the Lambdas are an example of the worst execution of overlap we'll see due to it being partly developed in the "GM dark-ages", I'LL SURE AS H*LL TAKE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! because if this is what GM is capable of with limited resources, the future looks great as they get more and more back on their feet!!!!
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3.5 Liter V6
Join Date: Jun 2003
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Re: Questioning Our Brand Strategy?
I mean what is wrong with the Lamda CUV?
None look alike except the sides of the Acadia and the Outlook. And just the doors really. Even the third glass on the side is different between the Acadia and the Outlook. And the interiors are totaly different. Now the Enxlave looks nothing like either of those trucks...Period! We have to wait and see what the Checy version will look like. But I like all three versions right now a lot. I am glad that Chevy is getting one also b/c they need a larger than NOX CUV. I mean in my opinion Chevy needs to be in every single segment in the industry. If Toyota and Nissan keep the 4Runner and Pathfinder Chevy better update the Trailblazer also. Just a new body and interior on the same platform. I don't want Chevy to give up on any segments to Toyota....they already have with minivans and in my book that is already one segment too many!
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5.3 Liter Vortec V8
Join Date: Jan 2003
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Re: Questioning Our Brand Strategy?
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6.0 Liter LS2 V8
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Drives: 2004 Mazda6s - V6/5-speed manual
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Re: Questioning Our Brand Strategy?
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And for those that say the Lambda program is the same as GM's failed minivan program - remember that the minivan program did not fail because too many brands had rebadged versions. It failed because the vans were uncompetitive and didn't have the key features that the market demands - primarily fold into the floor seats. Look at Chrysler/Dodge. The vans are nearly identical and have been for 24 years yet they have always led the industry in sales. They lead because of the combination of features the market wants and the pricing they offer. GM's minivans sucked. They were too narrow, didn't have fold flat into the floor seating and were uncomfortable compared to the class leaders. The Lambda's don't suffer from being inferior to other CUVs. They have class leading power trains, a class leading innovative interior, great styling and are in a segment that is growing at break neck speed. So drop the comparisons to the horrible GM minivans. GM has an excellent CUV that is proving with growing sales each month - that the market likes them infinitely better than the horrid minivans they sold in years past. |
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6.0 Liter LS2 V8
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: San Antonio, Texas
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Re: Questioning Our Brand Strategy?
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The GMC Acadia is selling like hotcakes. Having it and the Enclave in the same show room will work just fine - they appeal to different markets. |
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GMI Staff Member
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Re: Questioning Our Brand Strategy?
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IF GM continues to differentiate between the brands.... IF GM can begin changing perceptions.... IF GM can upgrade the dealership experience... IF GM will quit building cars just for the sake of building cars.... THen yes, 8 brands can be a competitive advantage. However, 4 Lambdas? 2 of which are almost nearly rebadges? Equinox/Torrent? Cobalt/G5? Malibu/G6/Aura? The reversion of the Cadillac renaissance? 5 Buicks? No SLS or Park Avenue? Inconsistent interiors across the board? Sorry GM. You're talking the talk, but you have yet attempted to walk the walk in my book. The brand strategy is correct. The execution is flawed.
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3.9 Liter V6
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Cary, NC
Drives: 2002 Trailblazer
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Re: Questioning Our Brand Strategy?
Yeah, right. GM needs Chevy, and Saturn, oh - and Buick...and also Pontiac. RIGHT !
Dream on. If you went out on the street and asked regular folks to name a car that Honda makes - they'd say "Accord" in like 2 seconds. Ask those same people to name a car Buick makes...they might struggle and then come up with "Century" or something. GM needs to focus on promoting a core of cars. A broad portfolio of car/truck options is a great idea, but do it under just two or three brands. |
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3.9 Liter V6
Join Date: Oct 2006
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3.8 Liter Supercharged V6
Join Date: Feb 2007
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Re: Questioning Our Brand Strategy?
Current conventional wisdom is that General Motors has too many brands. For decades the conventional wisdom was that General Motors' brand structure was a competitive advantage. Ford introduced the Mercury and Edsel brands and Chrysler introduced the Plymouth and DeSoto brands to address General Motors' band structure. I think General Motors brands can be a competitive advantage if managed correctly. Each brand should have a distinct, sharp image. Since General Motors has merged Pontiac, Buick, and GMC Truck into one dealership body, each of these brands should have the freedom to go after a focused market without the pressure of having to sustain the dealership body by themselves. General Motors' Pontiac, Buick, GMC Truck strategy has great potential.
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