Oregon Mandates E10/b2

[HoosierRon]

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007...e_pa.html#more

House Bill 2210 requires fuel retailers to sell gasoline blended with at least 10% ethanol once Oregon production exceeds 40 million gallons a year and diesel blended with at least 2% biodiesel by volume—or other renewable diesel with at least 2% renewable component by volume—once production of biodiesel in the state reaches 15 million gallons a year.

The law also requires the state to buy only E85 vehicles and gives consumers a tax rebate of $.50 per gallon of E85 purchased (up to $200 per year).

In other biofuels news:

"Brasil Eco Energia, a new Brazilian biofuel company backed by investors from the US and Brazil, is planning to build the world’s largest biodiesel plant, capable of producing 220.6 million gallons US per year." It is using soybeans. Brazil has mandated all diesel be B2 by 2008.

[JonathanRohr]

Awesome. Getting all gas stations in the nation running on 10% ethanol would be great, we would still have to import alot of oil, but we could pick troublesome OPEC country 'X' and just say "you know what, we dont want to buy from you anymore. goodbye".

It will be a great day when it comes.

[LAMRONH]

The few tanks of E10 or E15 I've run resulted in a significant delcine in fuel mileage, on the order of 10 percent or more. So where's the positive washout here? Or is this some more feelgood legislation?
Not trying to stir the pot, just asking if this is a real solution or a politicians' solution. A politicians' solution is usually a headline grabber feelgood solution that has not examined the consequences, intended and unintended. A real solution is a studied solution that looks at the big equation over 10 years or more.

There is a difference.

[sgfootball2006]

I have experienced the same Gas mileage with E10. The 10% additive has always been there. It has just been in the form of other additives besides ethanol.

[Havasavana]

Originally Posted by LAMRONH

A politicians' solution is usually a headline grabber feelgood solution that has not examined the consequences, intended and unintended. A real solution is a studied solution that looks at the big equation over 10 years or more. There is a difference.

Too true.

[CyberianHusky]

Hahahaha. Enjoy your new lower mileage, Oregon.

[LAMRONH]

Originally Posted by sgfootball2006

I have experienced the same Gas mileage with E10. The 10% additive has always been there. It has just been in the form of other additives besides ethanol.

Eh??

[uncledestroy]

I'm glad to hear some skeptical positions. I sometimes feel that this board has started getting a little too into the potential upside of ethanol. Especially with other items emerging as potentially viable contenders (butanol, the Volt, etc.), it seems unwise for the government to throw subsidies at one technology now. It may have the perverse effect of making investment in other, potentially better technologies uneconomical. That would be a suboptimal unintended consequence.

[Smaart Aas Saabr]

Originally Posted by LAMRONH

Eh??

They've been putting other stuff there that the ethanol is taking the place of. Like MTBE, some octane boosters etc.

[cs1992]

In my major metropolitan area, E10 was mandated in all gasolines last year. I noticed no decline in mileage. E10 is used to replace MTBE as an octane booster. MTBE is apparently some pretty nasty stuff.

[LAMRONH]

Originally Posted by cs1992

In my major metropolitan area, E10 was mandated in all gasolines last year. I noticed no decline in mileage. E10 is used to replace MTBE as an octane booster. MTBE is apparently some pretty nasty stuff.

If you consider a toxin on the order of dioxin nasty stuff...yes.

[AndrewGS]

I run 93AKI E10 and I get great mileage. This last tank in my Silverado was 18.6MPG with about a 70/30 city/highway split. My Roadmaster gets about 22MPG on it.

[SierraGS]

Good to see Oregon requiring E-85 capable vehicles be purchased.

The government should focus more attention on getting E-85 available over a wider area so the market for it will grow.

Ethanol/BioDiesel/Butanol production technology is still getting started and need a viable market to succeed.

It is also the only way gas prices will be forced lower, alternatives to it will bring the price down - not conservation. While we should do as much as possible to reduce our energy usage, just using less gas (even 50% less) will have little affect on price since drilling will slow and we will get some excuse of how supplies are falling and the price will remain high or go higher.

[HoosierRon]

Support for E10 will not hinder development of biobutanol. To the contrary. Ethanol and biobutanol are made in substantially the same way in exactly the same type of facilities. Proponants of butanol (like me) should be glad to see mandated E10 use. If you read the article, you will see that the mandate does not kick in until Oregon's own production of ethanol reaches a certain level. This guarantees that there will be production facitilities constructed. These same facilities will be what produces cellulosic ethanol and biobutanol in the future.

Furthermore, since NO changes are needed for today's vehicles to run on butanol, there is no reason a legislature would not mandate its use once it becomes economically feasible to produce. The fact that the Oregon legislature is willing to mandate E10 is a good sign that it will be willing to mandate butanol in the future.

[GM-Joe]

Originally Posted by JonathanRohr

TMC v GM: (8-3)
Subcompact: Toyota (Yaris)
Compact: Toyota (Corolla)
Midsize: GM (Aura)
Hybrid/Alt Fuel: Toyota (Prius)
X-Over: GM (Outlook/Acadia/Enclave)
Minivan: Toyota (Sienna)
Compact SUV: Toyota (Rav4)
Midsize SUV: Toyota (Highlander)
Fullsize SUV: GM (Tahoe)
Midsize Truck: Toyota (Tacoma)
1/2 Ton Truck: Tie (but it counts as a loss, it should be no contest)
As of 2/7/07

Are these your opinions? If they are you should probably be at the Toyoda forum. Personally, I don't see where this info comes from and from what I have read from many automobile tests and new sources they don't feel this way either. From a non-biased view from what I read and see it would look something like:

TMC v GM: (4-6)
Subcompact: Aveo, Corsa
Compact: Cobalt, Astra
Midsize: GM (Aura)
Hybrid/Alt Fuel: Toyota (Prius)
X-Over: GM (Outlook/Acadia/Enclave) What's the dif between this and midsized SUV? Or shouldn't midsize SUV be 4-Runner against Envoy or H3?
Minivan: Toyota (Sienna)
Compact SUV: Toyota (Rav4)
Midsize SUV: Outlook
Fullsize SUV: GM (Tahoe)
Midsize Truck: Toyota (Tacoma)
1/2 Ton Truck: Silverado