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Old 03-04-2005, 11:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Muscle cars are back -- in force

Muscle cars are back -- in force
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Remember when the Beatles were still together? Television had only three channels? Gasoline cost 27 cents a gallon? Then for you, the term "muscle car" has meaning.
It was the 1960s, and every manufacturer -- and that meant General Motors, Ford and Chrysler -- offered a wide range of two-door coupes with powerful V8 engines. Names like GTO, Charger and Mustang GT meant power to burn rubber into the next county.

Then came a triple whammy: high insurance rates, gasoline prices sent soaring by an Arab oil embargo and orders from Washington to clean up engine emissions. The American muscle car was extinct by 1975.

Or so it seemed.

However, our love for power didn't disappear. Starting in the 1980s, thanks to better computer controls on engines and breakthroughs in engineering, horsepower began to return to American cars, starting with the 1984 Corvette.

Today, there's a muscle-car renaissance that rivals anything seen in the 1960s. And names once discarded -- GTO and Charger in particular -- are reappearing on cars with more horsepower than ever.

While muscle cars still represent just a small percentage of the more than 16.4 million new vehicles estimated to sell in 2005, they are expected to sell well and also cast a favorable aura to manufacturers' other offerings.

"We're not just talking about a trend any more," says Benjamin Moss, of Moss Motor Company, a dealership in South Pittsburgh, Tenn. "Muscle cars are selling like hot cakes. Advance orders are overwhelming.''

"The return of the muscle car comes as no surprise,'' says Jim Spoonhower, vice president of market research for the Specialty Equipment Market Association, an industry trade group. "The car companies are fully aware that the nostalgia is powerful, so their contemporary designers are incorporating recognizable style features to give these modern-day muscle cars a distinctive retro look.''


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The return of the muscle car also is market driven. A significant number of people who came of driving age in the 1960s and 1970s are now seeing their children off to college or adulthood, and there's no longer the need for that big SUV or minivan. A stylish, powerful, sporty car that is reminiscent of youth could prove to be a logical replacement for empty-nesters.

And with auction prices of pristine examples of true 1960s muscle cars running into six figures and beyond -- an original 1970 Plymouth Hemi Barracuda convertible can cost as much as $800,000 -- baby boomers eager to recapture youthful moments are seeing these new cars as reliable, affordable alternatives.

At the other end of the age spectrum are buyers in their late teens and 20s who also crave performance. But while American V8-muscle still appeals to this group, many more covet imported muscle cars such as the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo or the Subaru WRX, which wring as much as 300 horsepower from their four-cylinder engines.

"The baby boomer generation grew up with muscle cars. They never stopped lusting after power under the hood,'' says Christopher J. Kersting, SEMA president and CEO. "Now their children have the same passion for performance, and the auto industry would like nothing better than to satisfy that demand.''

Like muscle cars of the 1960s and early 1970s, today's versions come in a wide range of styles and prices.

There's the new Mustang GT, which has a 300-horsepower V8, a list price that starts at just under $25,000, and styling that is more than a little reminiscent of muscle Mustangs from the 1960s. Ford expects to sell more than 140,000 of them in 2005, double the number of Mustangs it sold 10 years ago.


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There's the Pontiac GTO, which shares with its 1960s namesake only the placement of a powerful 400-horsepower V8 under the hood. The 2005 GTO, which is a U.S. version of a car built for years by GM's Australian division, has muted, modern styling that some say doesn't appear especially muscular. Prices start at about $33,000.


Chrysler's 300C, which shares the name of a 1960s luxury two-door hot rod, is a four-door sedan that has the beefed-up look of a muscle car and a 340 horsepower V8 that borrows the name and cylinder-head design from the ultimate 1960s muscle car engine, the Hemi. Buyers are paying above $30,000 for loaded models.

When Dodge's Charger debuts later this year, it won't wear the sleek fastback two-door styling of its muscle-car namesake. It essentially will be a restyled version of Chrysler's 300C four-door sedan that will also carry the Hemi engine on the option list.


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Although Chevrolet has yet to resurrect the Camaro or the Chevelle, it has brought back the SS moniker (it stands for Super Sport, and the badge was on all of Chevy's 1960s muscle cars) and attached it to the new 2005 Cobalt compact coupe. There's no V8 under the hood, but there is a supercharged 205-horsepower four-cylinder that's aimed squarely at young buyers who define muscle cars differently from their parents.

Even Cadillac is in the game with its high-performance, V8 powered CTS-V sedan, which puts out 400 horsepower and carries a sticker price of more than $50,000. Later this year, Caddy will bring out a muscle-car version of its CTS sedan with 440 horsepower and a price of more than $70,000.

Europeans also play the muscle-car game, and it's at the same pricey level as Cadillac. Mercedes-Benz, BMW and Audi all have models with ultrahigh performance engines, as does Jaguar.

What's surprising about this current muscle-car renaissance is that it's flying in the face of a run-up in gasoline prices. But unlike the oil embargoes of the 1970s, fuel remains plentiful, though not cheap.

Barring long gas lines or insurance companies raising rates for these new cars into the stratosphere, the muscle car looks to have staying power this time around.

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Let's continue with this "reinessance" and bring back the Camaro and Firebird!
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"At the other end of the age spectrum are buyers in their late teens and 20s who also crave performance. But while American V8-muscle still appeals to this group, many more covet imported muscle cars such as the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo or the Subaru WRX, which wring as much as 300 horsepower from their four-cylinder engines."


Muscle cars came from the factories already equiped to kick butt, the tuners of today the kids prefer are cheap entry level imports, that have been tuned. They are not muscle cars!

GTO........0-60.....5.3....SECONDS......TOP SPEED...150
CIVIC......0-60......9......DAYS...........TOP SPEED...108

OOPS - That should say seconds, not days.....too funny to change

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GTO........0-60.....5.3....SECONDS......TOP SPEED...150
CIVIC......0-60......9......DAYS...........TOP SPEED...108
HeHe funny....In order to get the Civic to the GTO's performance level, it would probably take the same amount of money.
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Prediction of $3.00 per gallon by summer. If this happens, there may be another ice age with econo boxes leading the pack. Mfrs like Toyota are not investing huge in alternative fuels for nothing.
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If GM dont bring back the Camaro, the 50% of the American Muscle Car legend ll be die!
Chevrolet needs a true pony car....is sombody at Detroit listen?
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Old 03-05-2005, 12:25 PM   #7 (permalink)
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i doubt 3 dollars by summer, they say increased travel, but they dont take into account a lot of sh1t, the same thing happened last year and they were like oops we forget people dont ned to heat their homes in summer, plus there is a lot of stored up stuff from the fairly mild winter (i no it snowed but it wasnt half as cold as the last 3 years) and not to mention commodities trader r prob just saying this to inflate prices adn make $. $3 is prb just one of the possible outcoems they came out with, but tis the one the press can get viewers with.

Also, ift id bring back the firebird, unless it was liek a convertible GTO, bit then u could just call it GTO convertible, plus i read they cant use the firebird camaro name anymore, they knocked down the only plant where they could build cars by that name, but here is still al ot of names to choose from...chevelle,,,new ones
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HeHe funny....In order to get the Civic to the GTO's performance level, it would probably take the same amount of money.
Yeah, money....where in the heck are these young people (late teens, early twenties) getting the cash for these tuners? I would like to know. I saw something on speed channel that was talking about a car show, and they showed tuners. One guy said he had over $90,000 dollars invested in his car. First of all, WHY???....and next....HOW??? Must be nice to have unlimited cash flow. Geez, for that cash, you could get at least a couple awesome classic muscle cars. Or, a brand new Vette, for that matter. Just don't understand that hobby. (for the money reasons alone). Sorry.
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2005 GTO 0-60...4.6 s

civic 0-60...maybe 4.6 s with another 15-20 grand + the sound of a zipper out of control + worn out engine in 30 000 km

conclusion: i'd rather pay more money upfront for a car that doesnt need to improve and is fast as hell right away
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Yeah, money....where in the heck are these young people (late teens, early twenties) getting the cash for these tuners? I would like to know.
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Then came a triple whammy: high insurance rates, gasoline prices sent soaring by an Arab oil embargo and orders from Washington to clean up engine emissions. The American muscle car was extinct by 1975.

Yeah, I didn't think those things ever went away.
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However, our love for power didn't disappear. Starting in the 1980s, thanks to better computer controls on engines and breakthroughs in engineering, horsepower began to return to American cars, starting with the 1984 Corvette.

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The 1984 Corvette was the return of power to the American cars? If I remember correctly the Corvette was pretty [----] weak in the 80's. 205 horsepower out of a 350 is sad. Not to nay say the corvette, because I'm a huge fan, I'm just saying... I wouldn't call the 80's vettes the return of power.
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Yeah, money....where in the heck are these young people (late teens, early twenties) getting the cash for these tuners? I would like to know. I saw something on speed channel that was talking about a car show, and they showed tuners. One guy said he had over $90,000 dollars invested in his car. First of all, WHY???....and next....HOW??? Must be nice to have unlimited cash flow. Geez, for that cash, you could get at least a couple awesome classic muscle cars. Or, a brand new Vette, for that matter. Just don't understand that hobby. (for the money reasons alone). Sorry.
If I had $90,000 to spend on a car, I would buy a new 'vette, a 65 Cadillac Fleetwood, a 64 Impala SS, and probaly still have enough money to buy a big screen TV!
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I have an o4 sti i have about 13k in the motor i have a reliable 650 hp i already have 17000 miles not a single problem. great car but not a muscle car. next comes the cts-v
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my friend has a CTS-V, that is an awesome car!!!
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