GM Forum / GM News GM Forum / GM News
Go Back   GM Inside News Forum > Press Room > General Industry News
Register Home Forum Active Topics Media Gallery Mark Forums Read


       
GM Inside News & GM Forum is the premier GM Forum and GM News Source on the internet. We discuss all GM models on the forum. Registered Users do not see the above ads. Please Register - It's Free!

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-06-2006, 08:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
3.6 Liter V6
 
cincygoblue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,086
MPG violations cost carmakers

Violations cost carmakers.
BMW leads the way, paying $12M in fines for failing to comply with U.S. fuel economy rules.


Jeff Plungis / Detroit News Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON -- BMW AG agreed to pay more than $12 million in civil penalties to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration last year, part of the nearly $32 million in fines paid by automakers in 2005.

BMW paid the money for three separate violations of Corporate Average Fuel Economy rules, which require that an automaker's passenger car and light truck fleets achieve basic efficiency standards.

For the 2006 model year, the federal standard for cars is 27.5 mpg. For light trucks, it is 21.6 mpg.

Makers of luxury models and sports cars have often treated the CAFE fines as a cost of doing business, rather than trying to engineer the vehicles to deliver performance and the mandated levels of fuel economy.

All of the fines NHTSA assessed in 2005 reflected failure to comply with fuel economy regulations.

DaimlerChrysler AG agreed to pay an $8.5 million fine for violating fuel economy regulations, mostly onMercedes-Benz models, for the 2004 model year.

continued. . . .http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...0382/1121/AUTO
__________________
Highest Average Fuel Economy by Division
1. Mini..............27.66 mpg
2. Honda...........23.81 mpg
3. Chevrolet....23.36 mpg
4. Lotus............22.33 mpg
5. Volkswagen....22.21 mpg
6. Pontiac........22.20 mpg
7. Saturn.........22.14 mpg
8. Kia................21.80 mpg
9. Suzuki...........21.77 mpg
10. Toyota.........21.60 mpg

Model averaged - Not sales volume weighted
Source: http://autos.aol.com/article/green/_...11132109990002
cincygoblue is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 01-06-2006, 10:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
3.5 Liter V6
 
turbotoad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Just North of Motown
Drives: 2008 Buick Enclave. (2)1988 Pontiac Fieros
Posts: 201
Re: MPG violations cost carmakers

But...........wait...........I thought GM was the evil corporate dinosaur that builds big bad gas guzzling beasts ! How can this be?! Next thing you know toyota will begin to have recalls of their highly praised vehicles.........huh?........oh, they recalled 1.2 million last year?........The world must surely be ending!
turbotoad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2006, 10:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
3.5 Liter V6
 
grandam_man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Indiana
Drives: 2000 Grand Am SE V6, plz dont laugh i got it prett
Posts: 214
Re: MPG violations cost carmakers

Have any japanese automakers had to pay fines such as these? Just curious...
__________________
1982 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 14mpg
2000 Pontiac Grand Am SE2 30mpg
-------------------------------------------
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=civic
"88,958 people modified their cars in hopes of making it look unlike the cheap piece of **************** that it is."
grandam_man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2006, 10:55 PM   #4 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,041
Re: MPG violations cost carmakers

Quote:
Originally Posted by grandam_man
Have any japanese automakers had to pay fines such as these? Just curious...
I don't think so, as this appears to apply mainly to the Euros, who have customers that don't really care about mileage. Mass-marketers like GM and Toyota definitely would not want this printed about them. That's probably one of the reasons they come out with high-mileage compact crossovers that count as trucks.

Last edited by CarShark : 01-07-2006 at 12:02 AM.
CarShark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2006, 11:50 PM   #5 (permalink)
Firebird Concept (the turbine one)
 
asim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 11,271
Re: MPG violations cost carmakers

Whoa! They actually kept by their word and are charging people.
__________________
I'll make a new sig. Later.
asim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2006, 12:31 AM   #6 (permalink)
6.0 Liter Vortec V8
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,592
Re: MPG violations cost carmakers

As much as I am a fan of horsepower, the US government needs to raise CAFE standards in a meaningful way. Increased supply needs to be balanced with decreased demand. We've simply gone too far in the horsepower wars. I'm not saying they kill the industry with the unrealistic increases like in the 1970's, but a gradual increase. The automakers have shown they can meet a static CAFE target, meet ever stringent environmental requirements, and greatly increase horsepower over the years. Increase CAFE standard in such a way that horsepower can be held steady.

Since the current politics (administration) won't allow this, GM should take a leadership roll and offer "high mileage" engines on their car lines. Make these engines a no cost option or a small credit. They don't need to be the base or standard engine. The standard engine can still be a high horsepower motor so the marketing claims about standard horsepower is not lost to rivals. These lower horsepower motors would cost little to develop, nothing additional to manufacture, and if GM offered them across its product lines, it would give them great PR. People might choose a Malibu or Impala with 20 fewer horsepower and 3-5 more MPG.

The product development on these high milage engines would help GM when (not if in my opinion) gas prices spike up in the future. GM could actually, GASP, react quickly to changing market demands.

Mark

Last edited by usa1 : 01-07-2006 at 12:37 AM.
usa1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2006, 02:24 AM   #7 (permalink)
3.9 Liter V6
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 823
Re: MPG violations cost carmakers

Quote:
Originally Posted by turbotoad
But...........wait...........I thought GM was the evil corporate dinosaur that builds big bad gas guzzling beasts ! How can this be?!
MB's, BMW's and Porsches aren't any less efficient than similar cars, they just don't have any Aveos or Cobalts in their line-up to offset the big powerful cars. It's cheaper for them to just pay the fine than to dilute the brand image with econo-boxes.

What do you think Cadillac would do if they were independent? Exactly the same.
baloo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2006, 08:32 AM   #8 (permalink)
6.2 Liter Vortec V8
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Drives: 2009 Acura TSX
Posts: 2,632
Re: MPG violations cost carmakers

With the technology out there, you would think they would make cars more fuel efficient.
kenman923 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2006, 11:16 AM   #9 (permalink)
6.0 Liter LS2 V8
 
01cavalier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Portland, OR
Drives: 2007 Cobalt
Posts: 4,818
Re: MPG violations cost carmakers

For companies that sell luxury or sports cars, this is nothing new. Like the article mentioned, it is part of doing business. They cater to other things more important to their clientele than MPG.
01cavalier is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  GM Inside News Forum > Press Room > General Industry News



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:14 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.1.0
©2008 GMInsidenews.com.
GMInsideNews.com is not affiliated with GM, General Motors or any GM Divisions in any capacity.
GMInsideNews.com is an enthusiasts' forum dedicated entirely to news about GM vehicles.
  • AutoForums.com
  • Truck
  • European
  • Import
  • Domestic
  • Manufacturer

AutoForums.com is the premier network of enthusiast-owned enthusiast-operated automotive communities.
We operate more than 100 automotive forums where our users consult peers for shopping information and advice, and share experiences and opinions as a community.

Visit AutoForums.com today.

For advertising information, please visit our AutoForums.com website and Contact Us, or send an email message to sales@autoforums.com.