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Motor Trend Tests "(Semi) Autonomous" Cars from Cadillac, Hyundai, MB, and Tesla

Testing (Semi) Autonomous Cars with Tesla, Cadillac, Hyundai, and Mercedes
By Kim Reynolds
http://www.motortrend.com/news/testing-semi-autonomous-cars-tesla-cadillac-hyundai-mercedes/

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My comments:

Apologies if this has already been posted (it's several days old).

MT compared advanced driver assist features by Cadillac (CT6), Hyundai (Genesis), Mercedes (S65), and Tesla (Model S). The piece is unfortunately titled "Testing (Semi) Autonomous Cars", along with an even more unfortunate picture of a driver with his hands up in the air on an undivided road. These are *NOT* autonomous cars, the "semi" disclaimer notwithstanding. These are driver-assist features that are essentially advanced cruise controls.

Nonetheless, the article gives a good indication of the current state of these systems as well as some details about the relevant underlying technologies.

The newest and most demanding aspect is auto-steering. So a few takeaways from the auto-steering tests:
  1. Cadillac's lane-keeping was so weak that it was not even included in the auto-steering results. If Cadillac really intends to release Super Cruise in the near future (as GM claims), they have a lot of work and catching up to do.
  2. Mercedes and Hyundai are pretty much on par (requiring the driver to hold the wheel ~10% and ~29% of the time on the two roads they tested on). That is an impressive result for Hyundai! Or they are simply buying the system from the same supplier as MB.
  3. Tesla is still way ahead of the pack (requiring the driver to hold the wheel 2% and 0.5% of the time on the two roads they tested on).
 
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Re: Motor Trend Tests "(Semi) Autonomous" Cars from Cadillac, Hyundai, MB, and Tesla

Interesting article.

It might be a bit premature to say, Cadillac "has a lot of catching up to do." We really don't know since the CT6 tested was clearly said to be
... the pre-Super Cruise Cadillac CT6 mainly as the “before” part of an envisioned before-and-after comparison as we await GM’s Autopilot-like system.
 
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Interesting article.

It might be a bit premature to say, Cadillac "has a lot of catching up to do." We really don't know since the CT6 tested was clearly said to be
Good point. The current system may have been hastily put in when they realized Super Cruise won't be ready for launch, and may not have anything to do with the upcoming one. In fact, the current one may be making do with the hardware (sensors) meant for Super Cruise, in which case it's even less indicative of what either system could do in an ideal case.

So which technology has killed the most people? Who's technology is best at that?
Yeah, I'm sure more people died last year in GM trucks in the US than in Nissan trucks. I wonder what that says about the safety of GM trucks. :rolleyes:
 
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The scary thing is how close the Tesla followed on the close setting. That is unnerving for sure. Our Flex follows about 175-200ft behind the car on the closest setting with its radar cruise.
That would get a brake-check from your friendly local neighborhood Neanderthal. YES WE CAN!

So which technology has killed the most people? Who's technology is best at that?
I didn't see the disclaimer: "No drivers lost their heads during this testing."
 
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Has NOBODY learned the lesson that Tesla offered us?

You CANNOT, and SHOULD NOT do "semi autonomous". The vehicle either needs for the driver to be in total control, or the vehicle needs to be in total control. There is no safe in between.

If the driver is not in constant moment-to-moment control of the vehicle, there is just no chance that he will be paying enough attention to "save" the situation if the vehicle decides it can't handle it. And (as in Tesla's case) the vehicle won't even know that it is in over it's head.

A car isn't a cell phone. Somebody (either a human driver or fully functional software) has to be in control at all times. It has to be pretty much perfect or people will die. A couple of seconds of not "seeing" can run you into a truck (or worse). Tesla was EXTREMELY lucky that their crash only took out the inattentive driver. Can you imagine what the outcome would have been if innocent bystanders were injured/killed?
 
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... The vehicle either needs for the driver to be in total control, or the vehicle needs to be in total control. There is no safe in between ...
From a statistical point of view, this is exactly correct. Operating in the "in between" simply means more accidents and more deaths.
 
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And WHY is this being manufactured and tested on the public? :confused:
Peasants are expendable.
 
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agree^^^ As long as the manufacturer sells it as autopilot and offers the button to push, the maker is on the hook.
If that's true, then any maker who jumps the gun on "autonomous hands-free driving" is an idiot just waiting for a tort attorney's Darwin Award lawsuit to ruin them. Because it will happen as surely as the sun rising.
 
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