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Lutz: No Beat for US, Cobalt not near EOL, CUVs on the way, Aura stalled
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/15/l...y-insignia-st/
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Re: Lutz: No Beat for US, small CUVs on the way, Insignia halted
Stupiiiiiiiid.
![]() Screw the Cobalt, the Cruze is 200 times better than it.
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Proud to drive American. Proud to drive GM. Current Cars: 2007 Chevrolet Malibu LS: 2.2L ECOTEC I-4 2003 GMC Envoy SLE: 4.2L Vortec 4200 I-6 1998 GMC Sonoma SLS Ext. Cab: 4.3L Vortec 4300 V6 Former Cars: 1993 Saturn SW2 (1993-2006, 243,000 miles) 1989 GMC Safari SLT (1989-2003, 293,000 miles) Future Car: 2010 Chevrolet Camaro LT RS: 3.6L DI VVT V6
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Re: Lutz: No Beat for US, small CUVs on the way, Insignia halted
On top of his 2 fighter jets and several sports cars...
Cool that he has a Sky RL...wonder what color.
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Re: Lutz: No Beat for US, small CUVs on the way, Insignia halted
No Beat. No Cruze. No Insignia. But lots of Pontiacs and CUVs.
This is how GM responds to America's demand for fuel efficient vehicles?
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6.0 Liter LS2 V8
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Re: Lutz: No Beat for US, small CUVs on the way, Insignia halted
I don't think this is what the street wants to hear. "Nourishing" Pontiac? A subcompact that isn't even out yet that wasn't designed to allow to be sold in the US. The next generation Beat could be out as far as 2015!!!!!!! This was a colossal blunder. As much as I like what Lutz has done, that kind of thing is inexcusable today, and heads need to roll. We've been told for years how far GM is ahead of Ford in the turnaround process. Yet Ford is about ready to launch the Fiesta globally, including in NA, yet GM is going to continue trotting out the Aveo for potentially as long as six more years???????????
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Re: Lutz: No Beat for US, small CUVs on the way, Insignia halted
How can anyone say how good the Cruze will be?
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Re: Lutz: No Beat for US, small CUVs on the way, Insignia halted
Well, if things weren't bad enough for GM in North America currently anouncements like this are certainly going to make things even worse. GM needs to introduce new products to NA like the Beat and Cruze and such. I won't argue that this class of cars hasn't sold well in NA in the past and it might take consumers some time to adjust and start buying smaller cars but by not offering an option GM is shutting the door and turning their back on NA. The current products are weak (Aveo, Cobalt, G5) and GM needs something that will stir up some excitement and maybe even become class leaders. If they can bring out cars like the new Malibu and the Lambda's and the G8 why not do something similar for the small car marketplace. These recent new platforms and redesigns are a step in the right direction but are limited to a larger car/truck market segment.
My girlfriend and I were just shopping for a small car about a month ago. We looked at the Smart 4two, Versa, Yaris, Fit, Golf/Jetta and Mini Clubman. GM did not even have something that we could look at the wouldn't just be a waste of time. The Aveo is horrible compared to these other cars. We did have a quick look at the Saturn Astra but it came up short in the interior feel so it didn't even get a test drive. The decision ended with a Golf in the driveway. Last edited by calgaryhhr : 07-15-2008 at 11:36 AM. |
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Re: Lutz: No Beat for US, small CUVs on the way, Insignia halted
Some bad news in there. One can only hope this is just 'misinformation' for the competitors.
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Re: Lutz: No Beat for US, small CUVs on the way, Insignia halted
This is insanity. Opel is taking all this time and effort to engineer what will likely be a world class family sedan, and yet, Saturn and Pontiac will enjoy none of the benefits.
The Cruze is another insane decision. Bring it here, rename it the Cobalt.
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Re: Lutz: No Beat for US, small CUVs on the way, Insignia halted
Wow, GM sucks.
Cobalt's life cycle is already over... he wants to milk what, another three years out of it? Focus is outselling the Cobalt because it's a redo, not because it's 'coming into it's own'. The Cruze should be their number one priority for the US right now... instead it's going to be the last world market to get it. How much is it going to burn that it will be built but not sold in the US? As FoMoCo fan said, the Beat should have been intended for the US from the get-go. I wonder who will get to market first with this sort of vehicle? Toyota? Honda? Hyundai? I'll be home in a few years and I'll buy the smallest, most fuel efficient new car I can buy (Smart doesn't count). Looks like it won't be a GM. GM has spent a fortune revamping Saturn and starving Pontiac... and now they're thinking of bolstering Pontiac? Sheesh! These guys can't look more than 1 month ahead.
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Re: Lutz: No Beat for US, small CUVs on the way, Insignia halted
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Re: Lutz: No Beat for US, small CUVs on the way, Insignia halted
Nobody in the US is buying SUVs, trucks or crossovers anymore. That market completely evaporated overnight with fuel prices.
So what is GM's grand product plan in response to this? Offer MORE new crossovers rebadged across their brands! Delay new cars! Keep new compact cars in foreign countries only! The hits just keep coming! |
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3.8 Liter Supercharged V6
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Re: Lutz: No Beat for US, small CUVs on the way, Insignia halted
"When the Cruze does debut, expect an interior that's a cross between the Cobalt and the Malibu, and powered by a turbocharged 1.4-liter four-pot that will get 40+ mpg."
Why the hell would anybody want to cross the Cobalt interior with anything ??? GM's number one priority needs to be to get the Cruze out to the North American market ASAP, and the Volt immediately there after. Everything else is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. The leadership just doesn't get it... Last edited by windvale : 07-15-2008 at 11:55 AM. |
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