Highlights of GM's new restructuring plan

[Nasty_SS]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

I stand by "Break the Union," if the union proves to be the ultimate obstacle to fiscal health of a company or institution.
I've driven GM cars my whole life. The Mercedes is inherited. The Jag was a family car i took over. And I got rid of my Pontiac G6 because it was the worse thing to come out of Detroit since the Gremlin.
I have no patience for poorly put together cars, and the G6 started falling apart about 9 months into ownership.

I work 60+ hour weeks with no overtime. I earn my 6-figure salary unlike most union members.

60 + hour week ...boo who....thats your fault..no OT whine some more and keep believing your worth it...maybe in fantasy

[asrapid]

Originally Posted by doh

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...0080715?rpc=44

* Delaying next-generation large pickup and SUV program, as
well as V-8 engine development.

Does this include Gen. V engine ?

[hotrod1949]

Originally Posted by Ambalanche

So this sounds to me like R&D is going to suffer..... Beating Toyondassan just got a little harder....

If they reduce the engineers by 20%, and let the bright young minds have some freedom, maybe not as hard as you think.

[hotrod1949]

Originally Posted by CaptainDan

Nice in theory. But GM DID try it. The most strike-prone workforce in the country put an end to it. Lean inventory is a union strategist's wet dream. Brings a company to it's knees instantly.

Until the UAW could be put in line, it wasn't going to work. Has the union come to it's senses? Maybe, we'll see.

Lean inventory doesn't work because plant management is terrified of line stoppages, and they don't put enough effort into managing inventory.Small case in point, two mirrored parts, delivered 8 times per day, every delivery with one more container of left side than right side. Local vendor, and it took the system 12 weeks to correct.Vendors also like to ship what they have, not what was ordered, because inventory is thin enough that trucks can't be refused, or the line will go down. Easy problems to solve, but nobody will spend the time to do it.

The biggest waste I see daily, and also an easy fix, is 53 foot trailers being received 50% full. With fuel costs as they are, GM could save millions by simply filling trailers, reducing loads, trucks, drivers and all associated costs.

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by TriShield

The Union is one big problem. But it would be much less of a problem if GM was a well managed, profitably structured, forward thinking company that produced products people actually want to buy.

You mean like in the 80's when GM was doing quite well, and the Union got the exorbitatant pay increases? That was also GM's fault for giving into the demands, but it was either that or kill the cash cow.

No union should have a say company's or an institution's operations. It's a cancer. Unions should be there for the workers and to protect their rights. And that's all. It is GM's responsibility to convey their desires to the union and to make sure GM's plans are staffed appropriately.

If GM can't communicate to the union, then they have to fix it. THey don't need a union telling them what to do... and how to do it.

And obviously, giving the union too much power has allowed significant inefficiencies to fester at GM.

Originally Posted by Nasty_SS

60 + hour week ...boo who....thats your fault..no OT whine some more and keep believing your worth it...maybe in fantasy

Who's whining. I love my job.
Unions in the US have worn out their welcome. Many have overstepped the bounds and have caused the dissolution of companies and institutions. And it's not at GM.

Did you know there is a union rule on Broadway that musicals in certain theatres must have an orchestra of a certain size? Even in the musical calls for only 7 instruments, you're going to have to pay for 24 union workers. 17 of them come to the theatre and get their checks and go home.

That's called abuse.

[Nasty_SS]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Who's whining. I love my job.
Unions in the US have worn out their welcome. Many have overstepped the bounds and have caused the dissolution of companies and institutions. And it's not at GM.

Did you know there is a union rule on Broadway that musicals in certain theatres must have an orchestra of a certain size? Even in the musical calls for only 7 instruments, you're going to have to pay for 24 union workers. 17 of them come to the theatre and get their checks and go home.

That's called abuse.

as long as companies want to screw workers there going to be there. as for broadway...thats there deal....they have to earn a living.

[Nasty_SS]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

You mean like in the 80's when GM was doing quite well, and the Union got the exorbitatant pay increases? That was also GM's fault for giving into the demands, but it was either that or kill the cash cow.

No union should have a say company's or an institution's operations. It's a cancer. Unions should be there for the workers and to protect their rights. And that's all. It is GM's responsibility to convey their desires to the union and to make sure GM's plans are staffed appropriately.

If GM can't communicate to the union, then they have to fix it. THey don't need a union telling them what to do... and how to do it.

And obviously, giving the union too much power has allowed significant inefficiencies to fester at GM.

exorbitatant pay increases......everybody goes to there pay. or any other good paying factory job...how about Sports figures in every sport ...nobody ever complains on their pay for sports....paying the robbery ticket prices...and supporting it. what do u think drives up wages.....Exorbitatant sports salaries sure help too....so lets give credit were credit is due

[doh]

Originally Posted by Nasty_SS

exorbitatant pay increases......everybody goes to there pay. or any other good paying factory job...how about Sports figures in every sport ...nobody ever complains on their pay for sports....paying the robbery ticket prices...and supporting it. what do u think drives up wages.....Exorbitatant sports salaries sure help too....so lets give credit were credit is due

A fine comparison, except for the fact "You" keep paying for that ticket. There is not a very simular sport down the road, that pays it's players 25% less, does not have the legacy costs.

The second sport may sell tickets for the same price, but because it's costs are less offers better Half Time Show, more comfortable seats, Less pricey Hot Dogs, and maybe less time outs.

[2002 Caddy]

Originally Posted by fp115

You must be offered a package in order to do this. The bulk will be done through retirements. Those who want to leave the company and expect a buy out and have a job waiting, but are not offered a package will have to quit or continue as they are.

I think we are saying the same thing...

I once worked at a firm that went through a "white collar" down sizing just like what GM is proposing... Except in that case, Management stood up a said
"Packages will be offered to the first 3000 employees who sign up for it"

Stupidest thing I ever saw... As I said, the best and the brightest were the first out of the door.

Once managment had realized what they had done and now they were left with the worst of the worst... now they had to turn around and replace the best employees with contractors at double the cost.

No-one likes to down size or package someone off... But this needs to be done Jack Welsh style... Each manager is given the job to package off the bottom 10% within their work group.

[fp115]

Originally Posted by Nasty_SS

exorbitatant pay increases......everybody goes to there pay. or any other good paying factory job...how about Sports figures in every sport ...nobody ever complains on their pay for sports....paying the robbery ticket prices...and supporting it. what do u think drives up wages.....Exorbitatant sports salaries sure help too....so lets give credit were credit is due

Comparing entertainment to the work force is like comparing apples to oranges. The union has abused of all domestic brands for the past several years. They refuse to accept cuts to bring these companies back into working order, UAW is on the right track with the two tier wages, but it isn't enough. CAW refuses all types of cuts, not a good move for ensuring production stays in Canada. Especially when it costs on average $1800 more to build a vehicle in Canada versus the US.

[fp115]

Originally Posted by 2002 Caddy

I think we are saying the same thing...

I once worked at a firm that went through a "white collar" down sizing just like what GM is proposing... Except in that case, Management stood up a said
"Packages will be offered to the first 3000 employees who sign up for it"

Stupidest thing I ever saw... As I said, the best and the brightest were the first out of the door.

Once managment had realized what they had done and now they were left with the worst of the worst... now they had to turn around and replace the best employees with contractors at double the cost.

No-one likes to down size or package someone off... But this needs to be done Jack Welsh style... Each manager is given the job to package off the bottom 10% within their work group.

Yikes! That is horrible, but all can hope it doesn't happen here. Then again I am a firm believe in the we need more gen z people here. We need ideas that are coming out of the box. I am within the gen z and while I don't always have the solution to everything some of my ideas get me some funny looks from leadership when I decide to open my mouth.

They will go up to individuals rather than a group and offer them a package with a strict deadline. To which you either take it or leave it. However if you are an aspiring worker and looking for a quick buck before heading off to another company, but GM wants to keep you, you won't be able to say "I want a package to leave" unless they come see you specifically.

Afterall I want what is best for this company and always willing to risk my job in order to bring forward my ideas to improve GM. Surprisingly of all ideas, suggestions given to them they have taken over 90% of them, some of which are being implemented very soon while others are already showing.

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by Nasty_SS

exorbitatant pay increases......everybody goes to there pay. or any other good paying factory job...how about Sports figures in every sport ...nobody ever complains on their pay for sports....paying the robbery ticket prices...and supporting it. what do u think drives up wages.....Exorbitatant sports salaries sure help too....so lets give credit were credit is due

oh please... sports unions are the worst offenders of them all... The worst of them being the MLB Players union.

Originally Posted by Nasty_SS

as long as companies want to screw workers there going to be there. as for broadway...thats there deal....they have to earn a living.

Is a show requires 7 musicians, there is absolutely no reason in the world why the show needs to pay for 24! Shows have closed simply because they couldn't pay the musicians! So, you let go a cast of 30... and 20-50 other support staff.

Real smart.

[2002 Caddy]

Originally Posted by fp115

I am within the gen z and while I don't always have the solution to everything some of my ideas get me some funny looks from leadership when I decide to open my mouth.

I'm a Gen X'er... On the senior management team I'm the baby of the bunch. My boss, the CEO, is just a little too old to be a boomer.

Every now and then he will comment that he is the only person on the executive management team who isn't a Boomer... When I correct him and tell him that I'm too young to be a boomer... He smiles and says...

Oh ya, you're right, F--- You

[vcs2600]

mgescuro -- Reminder that all those German cars you love are built by unions that make the UAW look like pus_ycats.

[t-rex]

Originally Posted by Nasty_SS

Break the union ... screw you ....When you become a productive member of society...you can have some input...writing this crap is not a job you even worked a good hard day ?.....do u even drive a GM car? looking at your posting ...saab....mercedes...jag... and saab dont count.... they should unload that blood sucker .you like to work for 10 bucks an hour ....dont think so ....but if this is your job ...it should be 7 an hour....im sure you are paid alot more then your worth........

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