GMI Exclusive: GM Twin-Turbo V6 Coming

**nsap** · 03-22-2010, 09:29 AM

GMI Exclusive: GM Twin-Turbo V6 Coming
GMI uncovers GM's first high tech, blown V6.
www.gminsidenews.com
March 22, 2010
By: Nick Saporito

Ford Motor Company’s recent introduction of their twin-turbo 3.5L V6 has brought the industry limelight to high tech, forced induction V6 powertrains. Rumors of General Motors joining in on the turbocharged V6 arena have been around for several years now, however GMI has confirmed that The General really will be joining Ford in the high tech turbo bandwagon.

According to GM engineering sources, GM is currently working on a twin-turbo 3.0L V6. Development on the new engine is so far along that it has a RPO code of “LF3.” The naturally aspirated 3.0L debuted in several 2010 products with direct injection and has the code “LF1.”

GMI was not able to obtain projected power ratings on the new engine, however output is very application specific under new SAE testing rules. Sources did say to expect the engine to rival Ford’s EcoBoost 3.5L.

The engine’s introduction is expected in late 2011 or early 2012 in the Cadillac XTS. Sources also state that GM is looking to use the engine in the Cadillac ATS and possibly even the next Chevrolet Camaro. Cadillac has historically always debuted new variants of the High-Feature V6 lineup, so it comes as no surprise that the XTS is the likely to pioneer the 3.0L twin-turbo.

Most rumors surrounding the potential of a turbocharged V6 out of GM have centered on the company’s 3.6L V6. A couple of years ago GMI was told that GM had twin-turbo 3.6L V6’s in development that were generating as much as 435 horsepower. Information regarding the potential of a blown 3.6L silenced for years until GM showed a 3.6L twin-turbo V6-powered Camaro show car at the 2009 SEMA show. The Camaro show car was generating 425 horsepower.

Buick61 · 03-22-2010, 09:34 AM

Glad that GM is doing what it takes to compete, but they're turbocharging the wrong engine.

wescoent · 03-22-2010, 09:34 AM

The universally panned 3.0?

**nsap** · 03-22-2010, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buick61

Glad that GM is doing what it takes to compete, but they're turbocharging the wrong engine.

Why? The 3.0L will likely be able to handle more boost than a 3.6L as well has a higher compression ratio due to the bore.

RoyG · 03-22-2010, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wescoent

The universally panned 3.0?

My thoughts exactly. Is anyone thinking??

**nsap** · 03-22-2010, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wescoent

The universally panned 3.0?

Ford's NA 3.5L was not exactly loved.....yet the TT 3.5L is.

**FenwickHockey65** · 03-22-2010, 09:38 AM

YES.

Exactly what GM needs between the 3.6L and LS-series V8s.

BerettaZ · 03-22-2010, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsap

Why? The 3.0L will likely be able to handle more boost than a 3.6L as well has a higher compression ratio due to the bore.

Right...and it helps explain the existence of the 3.0...

supraracer · 03-22-2010, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsap

Why? The 3.0L will likely be able to handle more boost than a 3.6L as well has a higher compression ratio due to the bore.

Exactly! This is a perfect canditate for turbocharging. Hopefully the MPG numbers will be good also.

bballer113 · 03-22-2010, 09:43 AM

I hope a version of this engine becomes available in a chevy cruze coupe SS

**FenwickHockey65** · 03-22-2010, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bballer113

I hope a version of this engine becomes available in a chevy cruze coupe SS

I don't think it'll fit...the 2.0T I-4 from the Cobalt SS should though.

Smoke · 03-22-2010, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsap

Why? The 3.0L will likely be able to handle more boost than a 3.6L as well has a higher compression ratio due to the bore.

Which has a higher compression ratio, the 3.0 or 3.6? It is my understanding that you want lower compression for forced induction.

Xenon · 03-22-2010, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buick61

Glad that GM is doing what it takes to compete, but they're turbocharging the wrong engine.

Maybe because the 3.0 can take boost better, and it's far easier to sell a 3.0L overseas vs a 3.6L? This is (or at least I'm presuming) a global engine after all. Hopefully the engine ends up being more powerful, and more efficient than the 3.6 is. Any word if that is the goal?

Stéphane Dumas · 03-22-2010, 09:46 AM

I could imagine this: "back from the dead....Grand National returns.....with now equipped with twin-turbo. Darth Vader: your new car is ready!"

SigEpCutlass · 03-22-2010, 09:47 AM

At only 3 liters, I could see this fitting in a Regal GS to replace the aging 2.8 Turbo as an option above the LNF. It's not that much additional weight, so the handing wouldn't be negatively impacted much if any at all. When's the Regal brochure going to be posted today?

03-22-2010, 09:29 AM	#1 (permalink)
nsap Editor Join Date: Jan 2003 Drives: 2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT Posts: 20,111	GMI Exclusive: GM Twin-Turbo V6 Coming GMI Exclusive: GM Twin-Turbo V6 Coming *GMI uncovers GM's first high tech, blown V6.* www.gminsidenews.com March 22, 2010 By: Nick Saporito Ford Motor Company’s recent introduction of their twin-turbo 3.5L V6 has brought the industry limelight to high tech, forced induction V6 powertrains. Rumors of General Motors joining in on the turbocharged V6 arena have been around for several years now, however GMI has confirmed that The General really will be joining Ford in the high tech turbo bandwagon. According to GM engineering sources, GM is currently working on a twin-turbo 3.0L V6. Development on the new engine is so far along that it has a RPO code of “LF3.” The naturally aspirated 3.0L debuted in several 2010 products with direct injection and has the code “LF1.” GMI was not able to obtain projected power ratings on the new engine, however output is very application specific under new SAE testing rules. Sources did say to expect the engine to rival Ford’s EcoBoost 3.5L. The engine’s introduction is expected in late 2011 or early 2012 in the Cadillac XTS. Sources also state that GM is looking to use the engine in the Cadillac ATS and possibly even the next Chevrolet Camaro. Cadillac has historically always debuted new variants of the High-Feature V6 lineup, so it comes as no surprise that the XTS is the likely to pioneer the 3.0L twin-turbo. Most rumors surrounding the potential of a turbocharged V6 out of GM have centered on the company’s 3.6L V6. A couple of years ago GMI was told that GM had twin-turbo 3.6L V6’s in development that were generating as much as 435 horsepower. Information regarding the potential of a blown 3.6L silenced for years until GM showed a 3.6L twin-turbo V6-powered Camaro show car at the 2009 SEMA show. The Camaro show car was generating 425 horsepower. __________________ http://www.facebook.com/GMInsideNews E-Mail Me Last edited by nsap; 03-23-2010 at 09:38 PM.

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Buick61 GMI Contributor Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: DC/MD Border Drives: 1958 Plymouth Belvedere 1996 Cadillac Fleetwood Posts: 13,553	Re: GMI Exclusive: GM Twin-Turbo V6 Coming Glad that GM is doing what it takes to compete, but they're turbocharging the wrong engine. __________________

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wescoent 6.2 Liter LS9 Supercharged V8 Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 8,217	Re: GMI Exclusive: GM Twin-Turbo V6 Coming The universally panned 3.0? __________________ "They say Eve tempted Adam with an apple, but man I ain't goin' for that. I know it was her pink Cadillac!"

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FenwickHockey65 GMI Staff Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: West Chester, OH Drives: '07 Malibu, '03 Envoy, '98 Sonoma Posts: 12,207	Re: GMI Exclusive: GM Twin-Turbo V6 Coming YES. Exactly what GM needs between the 3.6L and LS-series V8s. __________________ Proud to drive American. Proud to drive GM. Current Cars: 2007 Chevrolet Malibu LS: 2.2L ECOTEC I-4 2003 GMC Envoy SLE: 4.2L Vortec 4200 I-6 1998 GMC Sonoma SLS Ext. Cab: 4.3L Vortec 4300 V6 Former Cars: 1993 Saturn SW2 (1993-2006, 243,000 miles) 1989 GMC Safari SLT (1989-2003, 293,000 miles)

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bballer113 2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dallas. Texas Drives: 07' Sunburst Orange Cobalt SS/SC Posts: 389	Re: GMI Exclusive: GM Twin-Turbo V6 Coming I hope a version of this engine becomes available in a chevy cruze coupe SS __________________ Current ride: 07' Sunburst Orange Cobalt SS/SC

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03-22-2010, 09:46 AM	#14 (permalink)
Stéphane Dumas 7.0 Liter LS7 V8 Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,130	Re: GMI Exclusive: GM Twin-Turbo V6 Coming I could imagine this: "back from the dead....Grand National returns.....with now equipped with twin-turbo. Darth Vader: your new car is ready!"

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SigEpCutlass 2.8 Liter Turbocharged V6 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Arlington Heights, IL Drives: '94 Olds Cutlass Supreme, '00 Outback, '04 Mazda6 Posts: 984	Re: GMI Exclusive: GM Twin-Turbo V6 Coming At only 3 liters, I could see this fitting in a Regal GS to replace the aging 2.8 Turbo as an option above the LNF. It's not that much additional weight, so the handing wouldn't be negatively impacted much if any at all. When's the Regal brochure going to be posted today? __________________ - Mike K. Current: 1994 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme SL 4AT - Mine 2000 Subaru Outback AWD 5MT - Mine 2004 Mazda Mazda6s 5AT - Wife's Future: 2012 Buick Regal GS (6spd manual w/ AWD PLEASE) It's official...no more Camaro...I'm a daddy!!! "I don't view Toyota as an insurmountable obstacle that GM can't vanquish." - MAXIMUM Bob Lutz BUICK - The new class of world class

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